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#1 Fernando Nicolas

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 11:32 PM

Hi all,

I am directing a music video on either a 5D MKIII or a Red Epic. It will be shot exclusively at night and from the back of a pickup truck, following a guy running, much like the reference photo of the disabled runner I attached. Will be shot in Los Angeles and my subject will be roughly 18-22 feet away while the pickup truck will be driving 30-35mph. Always a profile shot, I'll just change lenses, not camera position.

The "look" I want to achieve is similar to the one from the Kobe Bryant photo, except the subject is farther away and I want the lighting to illuminate the whole subject, creating a "spotlight" halo effect.


My question:

1. What sort of lighting/lights will I need to light from that distance so we can light the subject well? I want to avoid HMI's at all costs, if possible. The smaller, the better. Are there any potent + powerful LED lights that do this?


Thank you!

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#2 Fernando Nicolas

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 11:37 PM

It's actually more like 12-15 ft in distance from subject, not 18-22ft as I mentioned before.
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Posted 06 September 2012 - 06:50 AM

It's actually more like 12-15 ft in distance from subject, not 18-22ft as I mentioned before.


I wouldn't use LED for this. If my hands were tied, I'd consider the Kino Celeb or Arri L7.
I would suggest a 2k fresnel for this look.
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#4 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 08:18 AM

I'd go with Lekos... as they make a nice circle.. or some kind of PAR.
Though honestly; be careful in the back of a pickup going 35mph with all that stuff....
5d also might jello at speed on verticals...
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Posted 06 September 2012 - 02:50 PM

Just for my own brain, where did you get 35mph from? A dead sprint by an Olympian is 20mph-ish... :)

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#6 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 02:55 PM

I actually believe the max speed every was something like 27mph.. or so the article i was reading on a DARPA cheetah robot said.
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#7 Fernando Nicolas

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 05:17 PM

Just for my own brain, where did you get 35mph from? A dead sprint by an Olympian is 20mph-ish... :)

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Yeah, more like 20mph. Anyone else with suggestions? I am strongly favoring 2 1X1 flooded LED's. Will that be enough exposure?
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Posted 06 September 2012 - 05:20 PM

Yeah, more like 20mph. Anyone else with suggestions? I am strongly favoring 2 1X1 flooded LED's. Will that be enough exposure?


I seriously doubt they'll have enough throw.

Are you insisting on LED because you want to run them off the truck battery?
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#9 Fernando Nicolas

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 05:44 PM

I seriously doubt they'll have enough throw.

Are you insisting on LED because you want to run them off the truck battery?



Yes, and they're also more portable than anything else.
My 2nd choice would be 2 kino's...but I would prefer LEDs.

Any exposure experts out there?

2 1 X 1 LED's on a subject at night rougly 10-13ft. away? Enough exposure there?
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#10 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 07:06 PM

Not enough exposure. All those soft sources fall off so quickly. You'd might as well get a putt putt for the back of the truck instead of fussing with smaller sources.
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Posted 06 September 2012 - 07:09 PM

Not enough exposure. All those soft sources fall off so quickly. You'd might as well get a putt putt for the back of the truck instead of fussing with smaller sources.


I can't get a putt putt. This is all stolen.
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Posted 06 September 2012 - 07:20 PM

I can't get a putt putt. This is all stolen.


I did something like this when I was in film school and broke. I used an "emergency" spotlight (walmart?) that ran off a battery or DC (provided 12v to cigarette lighter plug). It was advertised as 1,000,000 candelas.

Shooting with any non-continuous source will result in flicker, the head won't fire, or they will be damaged because they aren't receiving clean/adequate voltage. We tried mounting a 2x4' kino for something like this last summer and the ballast got boned.

Go to an auto parts store, check out their spotlights and inverters. Use TUNGSTEN.
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#13 Fernando Nicolas

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 07:56 PM

I did something like this when I was in film school and broke. I used an "emergency" spotlight (walmart?) that ran off a battery or DC (provided 12v to cigarette lighter plug). It was advertised as 1,000,000 candelas.

Shooting with any non-continuous source will result in flicker, the head won't fire, or they will be damaged because they aren't receiving clean/adequate voltage. We tried mounting a 2x4' kino for something like this last summer and the ballast got boned.

Go to an auto parts store, check out their spotlights and inverters. Use TUNGSTEN.


I really want to use daylight, and I'll put a sound blanket over the putt putt if I have to. My basic question is if you think 2 1.1 LED's OR 2 Kino's will give you enough exposure with the given parameters.
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Posted 06 September 2012 - 08:07 PM

I really want to use daylight, and I'll put a sound blanket over the putt putt if I have to. My basic question is if you think 2 1.1 LED's OR 2 Kino's will give you enough exposure with the given parameters.


You haven't given us your intended ISO or aperture. Both are necessary parameters for determining if a light source is sufficient.

My answer is still, no.

How about a Joker 200? It runs on AB batteries.



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Posted 07 September 2012 - 08:36 AM

You haven't given us your intended ISO or aperture. Both are necessary parameters for determining if a light source is sufficient.

My answer is still, no.

How about a Joker 200? It runs on AB batteries.


Going to try to shoot at f/4.0 and try to stay at 1600 ISO.
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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:18 PM

Going to try to shoot at f/4.0 and try to stay at 1600 ISO.


(25*(4*4))/(1600*(1/48))=12FC. According to their specs, 1x1 litepanel should be able to do this (http://www.litepanel...ne_standard.php)

Good luck, bud.






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#17 Fernando Nicolas

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 03:26 PM

(25*(4*4))/(1600*(1/48))=12FC. According to their specs, 1x1 litepanel should be able to do this (http://www.litepanel...ne_standard.php)

Good luck, bud.


Thanks for your help.
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#18 EDDUS RAY

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 09:31 AM

You could try the Nila Boxer Light.. It's a fairly light-weight focusable LED with some punch.
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#19 Cory Lonas

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:53 AM

Second on the NILA. we have one at the shop(NILA SL) it only draws 500 watts and could easily run off a good power inverter, or even a 1k generator.
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Posted 06 December 2012 - 03:39 PM

http://www.bhphotovi...ini_System.html

This is a battery powered 5600k led ring light... this hits all your specs if price/rental availability isn't an issue. But I agree with above, a 2k gennie with a joker 400/800 will certainly get what you want in the par configuration... more light is almost always better than less, in my experience.

I used this doing something similar but had the ring light on camera, 2x400w UV blacklights, 2xfogmachines , 1x2000w putt putt mounted on a golf cart... we were shooting a 5k race at night with glow in the dark paint in slow motion with the red epic at 240fps close to wide open on a bunch of Canon L primes. It worked out okay, but as previously suggested in this threat, a joker bug 400/800 would have been a better option (electric ballast). Night + Super Slow Mo + Golf Cart + blacklights = nightmare. Anyway, good luck!
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