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#1 fred Austin

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 05:23 AM

Hi all, I'm looking for a lab that could process&reload my DSAP 50' 16mm cartridges, anywhere in world
but , as a French located, i'd rather find a lab closer than the States
I still have a few of them loaded with 8699 fuji reversal but it is so much of a trouble to load them by myself !
If u have any kind of infos please fell free to contact me
Fred Austin
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 12:29 PM

http://www.alangordo...s/16mm/mags.php
http://www.alangordo...6mm/minicam.php

I had a cheap, windup camera that took these mags, but gave up on it after film jammed, and I had no way to fix it and save the film stock. Seemed like too much trouble, and used by Bolex for tight angles.

If they work ok, I can see these cameras being great for weird angles.

I remembered my cam made slightly unsteady footage, but now with After Effects' Warp Stabilizer, any decent but jittery footage from film cameras without registration pins can be stunning. Works great with my 35mm Konvas footage.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:04 AM

http://www.alangordo...s/16mm/mags.php
http://www.alangordo...6mm/minicam.php

I had a cheap, windup camera that took these mags, but gave up on it after film jammed, and I had no way to fix it and save the film stock. Seemed like too much trouble, and used by Bolex for tight angles.

If they work ok, I can see these cameras being great for weird angles.

I remembered my cam made slightly unsteady footage, but now with After Effects' Warp Stabilizer, any decent but jittery footage from film cameras without registration pins can be stunning. Works great with my 35mm Konvas footage.


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:06 AM

http://www.alangordo...s/16mm/mags.php
http://www.alangordo...6mm/minicam.php

I had a cheap, windup camera that took these mags, but gave up on it after film jammed, and I had no way to fix it and save the film stock. Seemed like too much trouble, and used by Bolex for tight angles.

If they work ok, I can see these cameras being great for weird angles.

I remembered my cam made slightly unsteady footage, but now with After Effects' Warp Stabilizer, any decent but jittery footage from film cameras without registration pins can be stunning. Works great with my 35mm Konvas footage.


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:08 AM

http://www.alangordo...s/16mm/mags.php
http://www.alangordo...6mm/minicam.php

I had a cheap, windup camera that took these mags, but gave up on it after film jammed, and I had no way to fix it and save the film stock. Seemed like too much trouble, and used by Bolex for tight angles.

If they work ok, I can see these cameras being great for weird angles.

I remembered my cam made slightly unsteady footage, but now with After Effects' Warp Stabilizer, any decent but jittery footage from film cameras without registration pins can be stunning. Works great with my 35mm Konvas footage.


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:09 AM

http://www.alangordo...s/16mm/mags.php
http://www.alangordo...6mm/minicam.php

I had a cheap, windup camera that took these mags, but gave up on it after film jammed, and I had no way to fix it and save the film stock. Seemed like too much trouble, and used by Bolex for tight angles.

If they work ok, I can see these cameras being great for weird angles.

I remembered my cam made slightly unsteady footage, but now with After Effects' Warp Stabilizer, any decent but jittery footage from film cameras without registration pins can be stunning. Works great with my 35mm Konvas footage.


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:12 AM

http://www.alangordo...s/16mm/mags.php
http://www.alangordo...6mm/minicam.php

I had a cheap, windup camera that took these mags, but gave up on it after film jammed, and I had no way to fix it and save the film stock. Seemed like too much trouble, and used by Bolex for tight angles.

If they work ok, I can see these cameras being great for weird angles.

I remembered my cam made slightly unsteady footage, but now with After Effects' Warp Stabilizer, any decent but jittery footage from film cameras without registration pins can be stunning. Works great with my 35mm Konvas footage.


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:20 AM

Many thanks Steve for your answer, but Alan Gordon no longer process this kind of medium
But I think i found a lab in Berlin,DE, that do treat this "exotic" format
ANDEC Film labs
Cheers
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#9 Charles MacDonald

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 06:28 PM

But I think i found a lab in Berlin,DE, that do treat this "exotic" format
ANDEC Film labs


Any lab can process the actual film, as long as it is fairly current stock*, but they may not have a setup to use the funny little cores that are in the magazines. The 50ft mags have 16mm DOUBLE PERF film wound EMULSION OUT. The Threading pattern in the mag is a bit complicated as at one point the film goes over the SAME sprocket twice. Ask Alan Gordon Nicely and they can probably provide a copy of their Re-loading instructions.

Note that you would have to do some machining to get the mag to accept single perf film, so you may have to go through a dealer to get double perf stock, and not every stock can be ordered as double perf, and what can sometimes has a minimum order of several thousand feet.

*Fairly current in this case is any B&W and Colour Negative, or Ektachrome/Fujichrome, but does not include Kodachrome- No one can process that any more.
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Posted 07 October 2012 - 05:08 PM

We have these mags come into Cinelab from time to time, loaded with everything from older film to new ECN and B&W-R Kodak used to have 50' daylight spools but I don't think they are available anymore. Any lab or anyone with a set of rewinds should be able to load these with 16mm.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 02:15 AM

Thank u all for u'r precise & precious infos
@ Charles, i'll definitely get in touch-sweetly- with Alan Gordon
@ Rob, I understand the king of lab still exist, but are u talking of
Cinelab in Mass. or in New England?
Thanks again & best
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#12 Robert Houllahan

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 03:31 PM

@ Rob, I understand the king of lab still exist, but are u talking of
Cinelab in Mass. or in New England?

Fred



There is only one Cinelab that I know of, in New Bedford, Massachusetts (in New England) USA.

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