They said film was dying
Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:47 AM
and some cool mugs.
I guess this is kind of awesome, as it's opening up the format to a lot of new people. Many of whom, no doubt, will hate it, and a few of whom may well spark a new passion. For this is am truly excited; but at the same time, man it just seems weird to me to be shopping at urban outfitters for film and camera equipment.
Still, it's a Phila company so I'm a little excited about that. And who knows, maybe this'll be the next hip thing (though honestly, really jacking up the prices a bit...)
Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:55 AM
As to dying, I think it's being murdered.
Posted 17 December 2012 - 04:28 PM
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 06:43 PM
And other stocks will be available in the future.
Posted 17 December 2012 - 08:04 PM
but sadly no readily available color reversal film to put in the bloody thing.
Don't forget Spectra's (all be it overpriced) Velvia 50D reversal Super 8. Just picked myself up 2 rolls last week.
I'd be willing to bet Pro8mm will come out with one soon enough too, probably from Velvia. Maybe Velvia 100D.
Posted 18 December 2012 - 09:48 AM
Until the supply of 100D drys up there are at least four or five well known shops near me that I can casually buy film over the counter at a decent price.
Also I'd be very very weary about being too dependent on Fuji continuing to supply the Raw materials,
A couple of years ago Cinevia and Retro8 in Japan were planing on selling single8 cartridges loaded with Provia 400X, apparently Fuji were more than happy to supply the film and everyone was happy; but right at the very last minute Fuji pulled out saying that they were concerned about the film jamming in cameras and having to deal with angry customers wanting their money back.
Cinevia/Retro8 unsuccessfully argued that:
A, the film would not jam as they had tested it thoroughly.
B, the cartridges wouldn't feature the word 'Fuji' on the labeling so any angry customers would be handled by Cinevia and Retro8
Anyway, it seems that Fuji moves in very mysterious ways and it's not totally inconceivable that they could pull the supply of Velvia and Fujichrome on a whim or worse still end production all together
Posted 18 December 2012 - 05:43 PM
Digital shooters, for all their evils, tend to worry about the equipment they have now and shoot now. Some do chase the latest and greatest camera (was Red, then Alexa, now people are waiting for BMCC) but many just go shoot.
Posted 19 December 2012 - 08:03 AM
Digital shooters, for all their evils..
Matthew, it's an industry, not a religion. Dividing the world into "film shooters" and "digital shooters" is completely out of touch with reality. Is forum member Richard Boddington a "digital shooter" now that he shot a movie on an Alexa? What would you call OP Adrian, or David Mullen, who regularly use digital cameras? The question is whether film can survive as a niche medium, maybe by exposing a new generation to its charms via a mainstream clothing chain. It's got nothing to do with whether "film shooters" (whoever the hell they are) go out and "shoot film now".
Personally I think this marketing strategy will be about as successful as the the LomoKino thing, which caused a great buzz and then faded away. Particularly given the prices they're charging.
Posted 19 December 2012 - 08:27 AM
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:05 AM
For that price I could easily purchase another Canon 1014XL-S or even a Braun Nizo 6080 kit.
Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:09 AM
Urban Outfitters does a lot to make the arts a bit trendy. Like selling Holgas (at a huge markup though). Or those Super 35 cameras they sell. It's a toy, but I still want one.
It's a good thing. If you want reversal film to come back, this is the only way it'll happen. If only pros are using super-8, it'll be treated as a pro format. For example you get Kodak dropping Ektachrome and replacing it with Vision3 50D. Personally, I have no great love for Ektachrome, and I'm glad they did that. I find Vision 50D to be way more useful, especially when my workflow always includes a telecine. But I know a lot of people want color reversal. Personally, I want color reversal, but in R8, not S8.
And maybe they'll get it. If they sold a super 8 equivalent of the Lomography super-35 camera, with a viewer, there would be demand for super-8 reversal. Mainly because of the Urban Outfitter crowd. But I don't think selling $30 310 XLs for $400 will take the format very far. Even if you can get it with tiger print stickers.
That said, I wish they sold brand new super-8 cameras for around $50.
Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:40 AM
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 12:06 PM
I don't mind my talentless friends shooting film as long as they are spending money on it and helping it find its place in this day and age. So if the $395 refurbished Canon 310XL gets bought a lot, these people will be googling for Super8 film!
Posted 19 December 2012 - 02:44 PM
true, I'm very interested in where Lomography is getting their 110 color film, some say it's repackaged stock from an Italian company others are saying it's produced on commission somewhere in China.
Any more info on that produced in China rumour? Was that producing from scratch or just slit. perf, package...?
Posted 19 December 2012 - 03:27 PM
I doubt they're importing Italian or German raw stock. My guess is that it's a domestic Chinese film stock. Probably from the same supplier who does their other films, since you can buy the same red-tinted film in 110 that they sell in 35mm.
Heck, even North Korea produces their own film (in Super 8 too!).