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#1 andrew ward

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 03:49 AM

Did a show with a US DP in australia who asked for appleboxes by size using a US system. Called boxes LA (Los Angeles) and other city names, so youd bring the right box in the right configuration. Is that a standard thing? If so what are the names? I like the system and wanna use it. He was a bit of a dick so it could just be a bullshit student thing.
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#2 George Ebersole

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 05:49 AM

I've only ever heard of apple boxes, half apples, and pancakes. I've never heard them called anything else.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 06:58 AM

There's a wikipedia page about this tagged for lack of references. I wonder if the OP's Richard wrote that as well?
They are measured in inches, of course.
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#4 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 09:39 AM

The only exceptions are those rather handy nesting ones, where the half, quarter, and eighth boxes (where the 1/8 boxes are really just two sheets of ply stuck together) end up being a little smaller than the usual type. They do pack a lot better, though; I rather like them.
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#5 Jake Kerber

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 10:05 AM

In order of height (lowest to highest): Texas, California, New York. That's what I've heard/used on occasion.
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#6 andrew ward

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 09:11 PM

Thanks kids!

In Australia we have nesting sets.

Im sure he said "LA" as well. And a tall one on its side had a different name, so youd know which box to bring and which orientation. Which is more useful than "get a large applebox".

How would i find the wiki?
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#7 andrew ward

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 09:14 PM

From Wkipedia. Geuss i should have googled before asking. I thought city names described sizes and orientation, but sounds like its just orientation. Disapointing.


""Often when a Grip is placing an Apple Box others are lifting something heavy to put on top of it, thus arose the need for terms describing what position the Apple Box should be placed in (i.e. which side of the Apple Box should be placed face-down). It is rare that these terms are used for anything other than the "Full Apple" size.

LA: Positioned so the Apple Box is resting on its largest side. 8" tall for a full apple.
New York: Positioned so the Apple Box is tallest, 20" high.
Texas/Chicago: Positioned so the Apple Box is on its longest narrow side, 12" high.""
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 09:16 PM

I still dig the system and im gonna use it. Ill just name the sizes as well.
Maybe ill name them after movie stars?
Fatty Arbuckle to Woody Allen?
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#9 Tad Howard

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 04:17 PM

I'm fond of "first floor", "second floor" and "top floor" or "third floor" when referring to apple box side placement.
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#10 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 07:45 PM

This will confuse Brits; the first floor here is the ground floor, and everything else is shifted up one.

This is, of course, because Americans wanted to make all their buildings seem one storey higher. :)
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#11 Mohan Sandhu

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 04:51 PM

I was working on a rather large stop motion feature in the UK and got gently mocked for calling apple boxes apple boxes, instead they where all pancakes no matter the size. Is that a UK thing that I'm unaware of, or just the studio?
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#12 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 07:32 PM

Not as far as I know - it's an apple box.

One thing I notice about the film industry (and frankly anything else with a lingo of its own) is that lots of people will tell you how to do or say something, and tell you that everyone does it that way, and they'll all tell you something subtly different.
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 12:52 AM

My normal grip just brings me what I need. I don't ever have to specify.

But when I working with a new guy I use 1st, 2nd, top.

And if it's a student, I just ask him to go get Tad.

=)
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#14 Tad Howard

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 09:06 PM

@ Bryan, I apologize for making you send for me that time. I try to be attentive. ;-)
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 06:29 AM

Full, Half, Quarter & Pancake = 8", 4", 2" & 1"

I usually call the 3 orientations - 'Standing', 'Sitting' and 'Sleeping' - you need no knowledge of Geography to get it right.
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#16 andrew ward

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:33 AM

I like that one too Sanjay! Thanks!
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 05:14 AM

I have heard apple box & pancake when that all there was.Which now a half apple was a pancake back then.Sometimes they would say get me a man maker wich was a apple box.Sometimes the younger ones would laugh @ the old timer if he had a senior moment & would bring a half apple as a pancake.I would say to the young grip before U were a thought in your fathers mind,that's what a pancake was.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 11:58 AM

I do remember being taught '1st, 2nd, and 3rd position'. 


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 12:11 PM

There's a wikipedia page about this tagged for lack of references. I wonder if the OP's Richard wrote that as well?
They are measured in inches, of course.

 

Apple box slang, just more B.S.

 

Anybody can post on Wiki and therfore anything and everything on it is suspect.   Terms: full; half; quarter; pancake are clear and sufficient.  Slang terms often exixts just to make newbies, PA's in the department feel stupid.

 

The biggest apple box, the "full", should be New York, because it's the Big Apple.  There, I've just invented new slag for use on on the East coast.


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#20 Shawn Hearn

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 02:40 PM

Apples boxes are Full , Half , 1/4 1/8(pancake) theses are the most common.

FULL APPLE BOX 12"X8"X20"

1/2 APPLE BOX 12"X4"X20"

1/4 APPLE BOX 12"X2"X20"

1/8 APPLE BOX 12"X1"X20"

 

However they do make other versions .


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