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#1 Harry Laos

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:17 AM

Hello People

I am new here and new to 16mm.

I recently purchased some Fujifilm F-64D stock which, as you can see from the pic below, has come out extremely blue. The flowers are supposed to be red.
Is this normal or is this more of a tungsten film reaction without a filter?
Perhaps the film is faulty?

I did not use any filters as it did not insist any were needed for daylight shooting.

Any help or opinions would be much appreciated16mm Blue.jpg :)
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#2 John Holland

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:33 AM

Was this new stock ?
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#3 David Cunningham

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 09:24 AM

Well, first off this is a daylight film. So, tungsten is not the issue. And, if it was a tungsten film in daylight it would look a little blue, not change red to blue. LOL

My first guess would be the transfer. Have you tried scanning a couple of frames manually with a flatbed or something like that? Was this a negative scan or a print?
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#4 Steve Switaj

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:26 PM

If you look at the film on a light table, is the color cast this bad, or has it gotten worse in transfer?
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#5 Mark Dunn

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:12 PM

It's neg, it's unlikely he could recognise such a cast.
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#6 Harry Laos

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:45 PM

Yes this is new stock. I have not tried scanning a few frames on a flatbed or checking it on a light table. The telecine was done on the negative on a Rank Cintel. The processing guys told me there was nothing on their end that would have produced this heavy blue.
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#7 Paul Bartok

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:56 AM

Can you locate the batch number and ask Fujifilm about it, just in case it was a bad batch. You can try compensating in post lifting the red levels and lowering the blue, someone that is properly trained will be able to remove the bulk of it from the image. Sorry to hear about the film.
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#8 Dirk DeJonghe

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:46 AM

Looks like an improperly adjusted telecine transfer to me. Are you sure you didn't have the blue filter in place to shoot with daylight film under tungsten conditions?
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#9 David Cunningham

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 01:42 PM

Looks like an improperly adjusted telecine transfer to me. Are you sure you didn't have the blue filter in place to shoot with daylight film under tungsten conditions?


Even if there was an 80 filter on daylight film it wouldn't blue it so much that something red comes out blue. This is either an telecine issue, a film emulsion issue, or a processing issue. I just don't see how a filter could cause this. Take your 80 filter and look at something red through it. It gives it a more blue hue but doesn't actually make it blue.
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#10 Harry Laos

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 07:15 PM

Thanks for your help guys.. I will send off the batch number to the rep and re attempt the transfer :)
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#11 Kip Kubin

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 11:03 PM



Don't think age of film is an issue. This Fuji 64D test is using really old stock 5-6 years, I think. My guess is the transfer...I have had some issues with old film and color shifting but not like that, looks like a balance issue

Edited by Kip Kubin, 27 January 2013 - 11:03 PM.

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#12 Harry Laos

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:23 AM

I did a scan on a photo neg scanner and the colors were correct! So the Rank Cintel is the culprit! I will try the transfer again :rolleyes:
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#13 Harry Laos

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:25 AM



Don't think age of film is an issue. This Fuji 64D test is using really old stock 5-6 years, I think. My guess is the transfer...I have had some issues with old film and color shifting but not like that, looks like a balance issue

Lovely film footage!
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#14 David Cunningham

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 09:30 AM

I did a scan on a photo neg scanner and the colors were correct! So the Rank Cintel is the culprit! I will try the transfer again :rolleyes:


Proud to have been the first to call/suggest that one. Silly Rank Cintel operator. :)
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#15 David Cunningham

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 09:32 AM

Lovely film footage!


Yeah, I found that one on my own once after purchasing some 64D. Great test footage! F64-D actually has some nice saturation. It's a bit soft, but I actually like that in some cases. So sad it's gone forever. :(
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#16 Dominic Case

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:26 PM

Silly Rank Cintel operator.


Indeed, if that's the problem. It's hard to believe that any transfer operator can have sent this result out without querying it. It does highlight the value of shooting a few frames of a colour chart on the head of each roll (or at least one roll per batch sent for processing). It can settle almost any uncertainty.

It'd be interesting if you cold post a frame with the correct colours, once you have it re-transferred.
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#17 Harry Laos

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:09 AM

I was the Rank Cintel operator :rolleyes: Sorry I should have mentioned that. Yes no professional would send out a transfer like that.
I have access to a Rank Cintel and though the grading panel is quite old, I could not grade out the blue tint. I had to finish it in an NLE. I have not seen any other color negative film (with a blue cast) play through that machine.

The correct colors are in the pic below :)

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Edited by Harry Laos, 29 January 2013 - 12:10 AM.

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#18 David Cunningham

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:50 AM

Ahhh! Much better looking. :)
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#19 David Cunningham

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:51 AM

I was the Rank Cintel operator :rolleyes: Sorry I should have mentioned that. Yes no professional would send out a transfer like that.
I have access to a Rank Cintel and though the grading panel is quite old, I could not grade out the blue tint. I had to finish it in an NLE. I have not seen any other color negative film (with a blue cast) play through that machine.

The correct colors are in the pic below :)


Sorry Harry, didn't mean to insult. :(
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#20 Harry Laos

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:35 PM

Sorry Harry, didn't mean to insult. :(


No insult taken at all. I should have been clearer with my info :)
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