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New Agfa S8 and 16mm 200D color reversal stocks from Wittner Cinetec


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#1 Marc Roessler

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:04 PM

Hi everyone...

apparently Witter-Cinetec is about to release a new color reversal film.
The stock is re-slit AGFA Aviphot Chrome 200 (same emulsion as Agfachrome RSX II 200; also distributed as Rollei CR 200 slide film). This has an estar base and will be available in Super 8 and 16mm. I'm trying to get hold of a roll for testing, will keep you posted.

Original announcement in German:
http://www.wittner-c....php#20130205-1

Greetings,
Marc

Edited by Marc Roessler, 06 February 2013 - 06:05 PM.

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#2 David Cunningham

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 09:05 AM

Too bad this will probably be prohibitively expensive for we US citizens to get our hands on. I can't wait to try a roll!
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#3 Mark Dunn

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:12 AM

From what I can work out the smallest roll would yield up to 7500' of Super-8 but obviously I don't know how efficient the slitting is.
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#4 Charles Brubaker

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:33 PM

WIth Kodak discontinuing color reversal film, I knew that some smaller company will take its place.

Still, Ester for use in camera? You really have to be careful loading that thing, or else it'll damage the camera.
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#5 Timoleon Wilkins

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:44 PM

Very great news!

I've shot this stock in color slide form, (available from Freestyle as "Rollei CR200"). Unfortunately this is not the same as "RSX 200" (which was produced by Agfa Photo, Germany--bankrupt in '05). This stock is a different animal, produced in a different factory (Agfa Geveart, Belgium). It has an estar base, and at this point it probably will (unfortunately) remain so for us cement splicing dinosaurs. I believe it was originally an aerial surveillance film. My impression of it: is significantly lower in contrast than Ektachrome, with a muted color palette but still with that characteristic reversal "pop" in particular with reds. Very sharp and fine grained (finer grained than Ektachrome 64T but more than 100D).

I am very eager to shoot some of this, because I believe this will finally solve the problem of contrast build up when making internegatives (should make for easier transfers too.) And I like a little grain in my images, so this could be a real revelation, with new possibilities of color subtleties.

And the best news for last, it seems to be extremely reasonably priced, on the order of 15 cents a foot for 16mm (this was what I pieced together from a forum in German, to get that low of a price is by purchasing directly from Agfa, with a minimum of something like 130,000 feet on 1000ft rolls. Surely an American distributor could get on board for this and make a healthy profit while still beating Kodak's prices--hello Christy's? Freestyle? anyone?).

Edited by Timoleon Wilkins, 08 February 2013 - 05:47 PM.

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#6 Jeremy Cavanagh

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 11:44 AM

Just wanted to check. This Agfa film, what process will it use for developing, E6?


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#7 Mark Dunn

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 12:16 PM

Yes.

Fuji's CR-56 and Agfa's AP-44 processes are identical to it.

I don't think there's any other extant colour reversal process anywhere on a commercial scale.


Edited by Mark Dunn, 12 February 2013 - 12:17 PM.

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#8 David Owen James

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 05:39 PM

This is great news.

 

Timoleon, do you know of a still photography stock that is made of the same emulsion?  I'd like to have a look at it.


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#9 Richard Tuohy

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:10 PM

There is no still film version of this stock.  Wittner however do have 100' rolls of 35mm currently available.  However they will also have 16mm 2R available within a couple of weeks.


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#10 Heikki Repo

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:01 AM

If I'm correct, this is the same emulsion that is offered by Maco as Rollei CR200 -- so yes, it is available as still film stock: http://www.macodirec...19_400_454.html


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#11 Richard Tuohy

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 05:39 PM

If I'm correct, this is the same emulsion that is offered by Maco as Rollei CR200 -- so yes, it is available as still film stock: http://www.macodirec...19_400_454.html

Thanks for the correction Heikki, apologies for my misinformation.

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#12 Bill Rodgers

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:28 PM

I'm certainly looking forward to shooting some AGFA Aviphot Chrome 200 soon!


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#13 Dom Jaeger

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:38 PM

WIth Kodak discontinuing color reversal film, I knew that some smaller company will take its place.

Still, Ester for use in camera? You really have to be careful loading that thing, or else it'll damage the camera.

 

Should be OK in cameras that don't have too much torque driving the claw or registration pin. I'd be a little wary of running it through pro cameras like an SR3 or 416 (especially at high speed), but S8 cameras, Bolexes etc have claws that are either spring-loaded or will slip under pressure.  Fuji's Single 8 system used a polyester base.

 

I've heard stories of Estar stock destroying Mitchell movements though.


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#14 David Owen James

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:08 PM

Any recommendations for a pro 16mm camera that would be suitable for this estar based stock?


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#15 Heikki Repo

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 01:46 PM

Here's one frame http://www.peaceman....titel-01-13.jpg from test footage by Friedemann Wachsmut, also featured on the latest issue of Schmalfilm. Looks quite nice I think :)


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#16 David Cunningham

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 03:21 PM

Nice color but looks a bit grainy for color reversal... but that could be a lot of things.


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#17 Friedemann Wachsmuth

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 05:46 PM

I developed two test cartridges of Avichrome 200 D yesterday (yes, regular E6) and captured them off the wall with my iPhone -- not great, but good enough to show how little light this stock needs and how amazingly good it is with mixed light situations:

 

Or in Big

 

Please note that the projection (as usual) looks ten-fold better. Also, this is a beta product, the release version should get to market in a few weeks.

Estar base provides the best registration and the smoothest run I have ever seen with Super 8 at all. Even cameras I considered as dead transported this without any hassle, including crossfades on the last feet.

 

I am deeply in love with this stock already.


Edited by Friedemann Wachsmuth, 05 March 2013 - 05:47 PM.

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#18 Chris Burke

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 07:21 PM

So will we be able to get this stock in the US?


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#19 David Owen James

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 10:23 PM

It looks fantastic!  Wonderful colours.


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#20 Mark Dunn

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:55 AM

So will we be able to get this stock in the US?

Yes, in the post from Germany, same as the rest of us. including Germans. It's just a bit further.


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