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#1 Jamie Frazer Noakes

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:55 AM

Well, this is exciting - it is finally here!

Just bought 4 rolls of Vision 3 50D from Super 8 Seller on eBay!


http://www.ebay.co.u...=item2ec5e3963d


Looking forward to shoot these and see the results!

I think I will shoot a roll in 4 different cameras! ;)

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 09:01 AM

Congratulations! You're going to love it! Very sad that it costs so much more over there in the UK/Europe. I got mine direct from Kodak here in the US for $15/roll.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 09:04 AM

Oh, optics are very important here. This stock is so good, use the best lenses to get the full effect! The Canon 814 and 1014 XL-S cameras have the best optics for non-interchangeable models. Then, there's the Beaulieu series of c-mount cameras with some amazing lens options. My understanding is that some Nizos are good too. Cheap camera will mean crappy optics though. Even my relatively good Canon 814 AZ doesn't hold a candle to my XL-S model.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 09:42 AM

YIKES!!! 55 Euro? Can't you buy directly from Kodak in Europe?
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:32 AM

Oh, optics are very important here. This stock is so good, use the best lenses to get the full effect! The Canon 814 and 1014 XL-S cameras have the best optics for non-interchangeable models. Then, there's the Beaulieu series of c-mount cameras with some amazing lens options. My understanding is that some Nizos are good too. Cheap camera will mean crappy optics though. Even my relatively good Canon 814 AZ doesn't hold a candle to my XL-S model.


As far as I know, all 814 models have the same lens (and the best of all Canons) that was also chosen for the Scoopic for such reason. Maybe just different coatings. It's clearly better than the lens in the 1014 cameras

Edited by Miguel Loredo, 07 February 2013 - 11:33 AM.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:41 PM

All the 814s from the 60s and 70s had pretty much the same lens if not the same lens. It's a very good lens.

The XL-S series from the 80s was very different and much better. The 814 and 1014 XL-S models have a very similar lens with the 814 having the equivalent of 8x zoom and the 1014 10x zoom. Quality wise, these two cameras are the same, and better than all older models.

The Scoopic lens would be different as the 814 lens would not cover the whole 16mm frame of a Scoopic.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:05 PM

And that's 55 Euros before VAT and customs and postage. I have been wondering about ordering directly from Kodak as well. While they might not sell to individuals, maybe they might sell smaller amounts to companies? Does anyone else know what's the Kodak policy here in Europe?
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:35 PM

And that's 55 Euros before VAT and customs and postage.

Eeeeeeeek!!! Crazy talk. Surprised that anyone would shoot it at that price.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 06:03 PM

It certainly isn't surprising that many hobbyists have been afraid that they won't be able to shoot color at all due to the price hikes. If shooting super-8 wasn't cheap before, it's much worse now. When buying inside EU, the cost of one cartridge of any color S8 VAT included is about 25 EUR. That's 10 EUR / minute of unprocessed film. And only one year ago I paid 15 EUR / cartridge of Vision3...

I hope that the Agfa stock Wittner is about to offer will be cheaper because it would be a shame to lose the hobbyists who want to document the growth of their children....
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:03 PM

And that's 55 Euros before VAT and customs and postage. I have been wondering about ordering directly from Kodak as well. While they might not sell to individuals, maybe they might sell smaller amounts to companies? Does anyone else know what's the Kodak policy here in Europe?


It is 55 UK Pound. Odd, as this seller used to have far more reasonable prices.
Stardom is getting to his prices. The 20 pieces boxes used to be free shipping :)

Shipping is not too bad, It is from Istanbul and as far as I know Turkye is in a customs union with the EU.
There are some advantages to the EU :) Buying and selling across the EU is now so easy, duty free, and thanks to the Euro and some imposed regulations there are hardly banking fees. Could easily be saving Euro 1500 per year on my business and personal buys.

Edited by Andries Molenaar, 08 February 2013 - 04:04 PM.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:23 PM

It is 55 UK Pound. Odd, as this seller used to have far more reasonable prices.
Stardom is getting to his prices. The 20 pieces boxes used to be free shipping :)

Shipping is not too bad, It is from Istanbul and as far as I know Turkye is in a customs union with the EU.
There are some advantages to the EU :) Buying and selling across the EU is now so easy, duty free, and thanks to the Euro and some imposed regulations there are hardly banking fees. Could easily be saving Euro 1500 per year on my business and personal buys.


55 UKP about EURO 60 = 15 /pc
Wittner plans to expect Euro 24.90 per piece including VAT
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#12 Heikki Repo

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:44 PM

Ah yes, sorry, originally I did notice the 55 GBP but somewhere along this thread it had become 55 Euros ;)

Anyway, I wasn't aware of the customs relationship between EU and Turkey. I googled a bit about it, and this is what I found:

The EU and Turkey established a Customs Union on 1 January 1996, and many goods from Turkey no longer attract customs duty, but excise duty and import VAT still apply.


That means there won't be the 4% customs duty of small gauge film, but the VAT has to be paid. However, even then it is quite much cheaper than buying from within EU. Nice.

On the other hand, if one owns 16mm cine camera, one might be tempted to buy some Fuji film even for shooting home films: http://www.filmstockclearance.com ;)
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#13 Jamie Frazer Noakes

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:34 AM

Congratulations! You're going to love it! Very sad that it costs so much more over there in the UK/Europe. I got mine direct from Kodak here in the US for $15/roll.


Thanks!

£55 is for 4 rolls of film - so it is not that more expensive.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:35 AM

Oh, optics are very important here. This stock is so good, use the best lenses to get the full effect! The Canon 814 and 1014 XL-S cameras have the best optics for non-interchangeable models. Then, there's the Beaulieu series of c-mount cameras with some amazing lens options. My understanding is that some Nizos are good too. Cheap camera will mean crappy optics though. Even my relatively good Canon 814 AZ doesn't hold a candle to my XL-S model.


Well, I will use these 4 rolls as test rolls and shoot a roll behind 4 different lenses - and one of those will be a Canon 1014xl-swith a widened gate! ;)
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:37 AM

Eeeeeeeek!!! Crazy talk. Surprised that anyone would shoot it at that price.


Well, it is £55 plus £4.70 postage for 4 rolls - so that works out at £16 per roll - not that bad considering Kodak nearly doubled all the list prices from 1st January 2013!
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:38 AM

It is 55 UK Pound. Odd, as this seller used to have far more reasonable prices.
Stardom is getting to his prices. The 20 pieces boxes used to be free shipping :)

Shipping is not too bad, It is from Istanbul and as far as I know Turkye is in a customs union with the EU.
There are some advantages to the EU :) Buying and selling across the EU is now so easy, duty free, and thanks to the Euro and some imposed regulations there are hardly banking fees. Could easily be saving Euro 1500 per year on my business and personal buys.


It is £55 plus £4.70 shipping for 4 rolls - this is a good price - it equates to £16 per roll - not bad considering Kodak's price hike from 1st January 2013!
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:46 AM

It certainly isn't surprising that many hobbyists have been afraid that they won't be able to shoot color at all due to the price hikes. If shooting super-8 wasn't cheap before, it's much worse now. When buying inside EU, the cost of one cartridge of any color S8 VAT included is about 25 EUR. That's 10 EUR / minute of unprocessed film. And only one year ago I paid 15 EUR / cartridge of Vision3...

I hope that the Agfa stock Wittner is about to offer will be cheaper because it would be a shame to lose the hobbyists who want to document the growth of their children....


I am looking forward to the Agfa 200 stock from Wittner!
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:09 PM

and one of those will be a Canon 1014xl-swith a widened gate! ;)


Ooooh... jealous! Watch out at the wide angles with a "widened gate" 1014 XL-S. You'll get vignetting.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 01:41 AM


Ooooh... jealous! Watch out at the wide angles with a "widened gate" 1014 XL-S. You'll get vignetting.


Don't worry, l've shot loads with this camea already and the vignetting at the wide angle is minimal. A great camera and lens combo for a widened date! ;)
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:58 PM

Don't worry, l've shot loads with this camea already and the vignetting at the wide angle is minimal. A great camera and lens combo for a widened date! ;)

Where did you have the gate widening done?  Was it just widened, or were the optics re-alligned as well?


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