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#1 Rudolf Goertz

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 06:53 AM

First

I want to say hello and thanks in advance for your time and help! I have been reading a lot on the internet but I is somehow confusing when it comes on a couple of questions

I recently bought two cameras a Bauer A512 and the Leicina. I did not film on Super-8 for nearly twentyfive years and now getting tired of digital. Its is like your ears are getting tired of mp3 and just want a record to relax... 

I would like to do a small music clip with a song I did a couple of years ago and it is rather confusing to get some basic information on at least three questions:

A. What would be the best/easiest film be for the beginning (including telecine... negative?)

B. I read different things about Super-8 transfer. What would you recommend - especially with the use of an anamorphic adapter (HD/2K)? Of course I did that "glasscreen-stuff" already but that is just for some holiday/family clips...

C. Though I'm experienced with anamorphics I am not with Super-8. Will I need lenssupport for the heavy Isco 54 with the Optivaron on the Leicina (on the Variogon/Bauer it is no problem). Are there any smaller lenses (primes) you can recommend for the Leicina. Unfortunately I don't own the Cinegon and it seems to be very expensive. Maybe that would work nice with the smaller Iscorama (from '68 with 30mm rear)

I am also looking for a lens for the Bolex Möller 8/19/1,5 which was made for 8mm but has a very small rear thread of 24mm.

 

Very sorry for this long first post! Again thank you very much if you read through this and of course for any help! 

 

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#2 Joerg Polzfusz

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 08:13 AM

Hallo Rudolf,

 

es gibt auch ein deutschsprachiges Forum ( http://www.filmvorfu.../13-schmalfilm/ ), auf dem man manchmal trotz einiger Trolle sinnvolle Antworten bekommt.

 

To answer your questions:

1) You can still get Ektachrome 100D (reversal) from Wittner-Cinetec.de. If you want to try negative, I would recommend Kodak Vision 3 50D and 200T.

2) So far I never told the transfer-guys that my material is anamorphic. Instead I simply reduced the height by factor 2 myself in the video-editing-software (<- I'm mainly using 2x anamorphots). This way I'll also get an anamorphic video that can be screened with a beamer and matching anamorphot.

3) I don't know your lenses or the Leicina. But when you only want to shoot 2-3 cartridges and when you unscrew the Isco between the takes, it shouldn't cause any problems. However when you're going to use it more often and for longer scenes, you should think about getting a lens support.

Before buying the smaller Iscomorphot and/or the Möller, keep in mind that you'll end up having to focus both the camera and the anamorphic! Only the Iscorama 36/42/54 support the "setting the camera to infinity and only focus with the anamorphic". And even worse: unfortunately approx. 10 years ago some of the video-guys discovered that the Double8/Super8/16mm-anamorphics can also be used on some/most video-cameras. Ever since the prices for anamorphics are rising and rising...

 

Jörg

 

 


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#3 Rudolf Goertz

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 01:57 PM

Hallo Jörg,

 

thank you very much for your help and your highly appreciated tips! I just ordered a lense support for my hefty Iscorama 54. Ususally I prefer the smaller Iscorama (pre 36) because of much lesser weight but unfortunatly it does not work on 10mm like the 54 due to vignetting. I really love the Bolex Möller Baby anamorphic (double focussing is a piece of cake on this one) but it is just too small for super-8.

Did you ever try a stretch instead of squeeze in post? As the Iscoramas are very sharp and only have a 1,5x compression this could also work fine?

Regarding film: I called Kahl Film: They recommended me the Kahl NC 15. You can also order the full package including 2k scan. Maybe anybody has heard about? However was a nice call and they tried to help me...

A lot of things changed during 25 years :unsure:  ! Film was so cheap in the old days.

 

rudolf 

 

PS I bought two books about super-8 and will check the recommended site!  :)


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#4 Heikki Repo

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 04:50 PM

My vote for Kodak Vision3 200T and 50D. Both should work quite well with Bauer A512 (and Leicina Special), since it isn't disadvantageous to have a little overexposure with negative film stocks.

 

As for best package, there are companies that offer film with processing and telecine, such as British Gauge film (http://www.gaugefilm.co.uk/ -- mostly reversal stocks it seems?). You can also buy film separately, in Europe Wittner-Cinetech (http://www.wittner-kinotechnik.de) is probably the one with best selection available. For processing within Germany contact Andec film (http://www.andecfilm.de)

 

For cheaper & slower turnaround but rather good super-8 processing & telecine contact A.Alhosen elokuvalaboratorio, Finland (http://alhoslab.fi). Processing & 1080P HD scanning of one neg cartridge (to HDD, internet preview included) costs 25.73 EUR incl. VAT 24%.


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#5 Rudolf Goertz

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 05:29 PM

Hello Heikki, 

big ThankYou for the links and info! I just checked Gaugefilm and they seem to offer a good package for me: It is relatively cheap and I can do some testing (the only downside it can take some time) However I will check the other links as well. Wittner resides in Hamburg (where I live...) However Alhoslab looks also very good (but I will have to wait for updated English site) !

Again thanks a lot for a lot of very useful information  :)


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#6 Joerg Polzfusz

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 03:52 AM

Did you ever try a stretch instead of squeeze in post?

 

Yes. It's okay for "converting" from PAL-DVD to 720p, but not for converting to PAL-DVD to 1080p.

 

However in your case a combination of shrink and squeeze might be best: converting 1440x1080 to 1920x960, then adding black bars to top/bottom might be best.


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#7 Rudolf Goertz

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 04:01 AM

Hallo Joerg!

I joined the other Forum as well and you help me a lot!

It is great to have kind and helpful fellows providing you with such useful tips and tricks especially as film is rather expensive!

The shrink and squeeze suggestion sounds very promising and I will try it out as soon as I have my first testfilms done.


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#8 Andries Molenaar

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 07:40 AM

Hallo Jörg,

 

thank you very much for your help and your highly appreciated tips! I just ordered a lense support for my hefty Iscorama 54. Ususally I prefer the smaller Iscorama (pre 36) because of much lesser weight but unfortunatly it does not work on 10mm like the 54 due to vignetting. I really love the Bolex Möller Baby anamorphic (double focussing is a piece of cake on this one) but it is just too small for super-8.

Did you ever try a stretch instead of squeeze in post? As the Iscoramas are very sharp and only have a 1,5x compression this could also work fine?

Regarding film: I called Kahl Film: They recommended me the Kahl NC 15. You can also order the full package including 2k scan. Maybe anybody has heard about? However was a nice call and they tried to help me...

A lot of things changed during 25 years :unsure:  ! Film was so cheap in the old days.

 

rudolf 

 

PS I bought two books about super-8 and will check the recommended site!  :)

 

Kahl doesn't want to sell (at all) to end-users and certainly don't want anybody on the phone anymore.

How did you get through (and why would you want to).


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#9 Rudolf Goertz

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 07:58 AM

Kahl doesn't want to sell (at all) to end-users and certainly don't want anybody on the phone anymore.

How did you get through (and why would you want to).

 

Well, I am not an end-user. Cutting films/doing post/sound/some 3d... is my job and therefor I am a "pro" (beside the matter of quality or budget) And I think that is what Kahl means :) However I don't really understand that restriction. He says that "this is all very much work".

Anyway I found him very helpful and it was a longer and pleasant phonecall. And the number... I got it from the internet. I am tempted to order some rolls of film (including development and transfer) there because he was very kind but it is strange that there are no examples and the films are also nowhere discussed nor the transfer is...


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#10 Rudolf Goertz

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 08:00 AM

Sorry: I should have written cutting video instead of cutting films !


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#11 Friedemann Wachsmuth

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 06:11 PM

Avoid Kahl. He has disappointed too many already. We need returning filmers that do NOT get disappointed. 


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#12 Rudolf Goertz

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 10:29 AM

Thanks a lot for the hint Friedemann! I just got my Leicina loaded and ready with some Ektachrome... Maybe I ll do some tests tomorrow (there is an Oldtimer Ford-car-faire in Hamburg "Tankstelle Brandshof") Unfortunately I have lot of work which has

to be finished on Monday...


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