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#1 Daniel Dziuban

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 03:54 PM

    Hi everyone !

 

   I going to do a short movie but I have some technical problem to gain a sharp shadow of the raindrops effect on the whole actress body. The sceen is going to take place in a small room with a widow to the small balcony. The size/scale of the room will be shown on the picture in compared to the bed on it. Camera will be moving from the feet to face in close up.

   I was checking many methodes like a reflection of the wather flowing down from the mirror or setting the light behind the screen but it doesn't work. Shadows are very poor and not enough sharp no matter how close or far the reflector is set.

 

 Maby you know some methods which could help me ?

 

 

Best regards,

 

Daniel

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#2 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 04:15 PM

No matter how sharp the light is, the raindrops will only be sharp if the actress is very close to the glass; they will fall off in focus the farther you get from the window.


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#3 Paulo Koba

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 07:18 PM

David and Daniel,

 

Maybe if the liquid isn't on display, only it's shadows,

you can change to a darker kind of liquid, that would

hold/block more light making the shadows more

accurate and defined.

I'm trying to help here, but I may be very wrong also.
Please tell me!

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#4 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 07:59 PM

Conrad Hall got the effect in "In Cold Blood":

 

 

 

Go to 3:10 in the interview here where Hall talks about the effect:

 

You see though that the actor is only a few feet away to get a sharp pattern.

 

I've found that you'll get better beads of water if the glass is dry and then the water being sprayed has some glycerin in it.  But the key is the sharp light -- I've done it various ways, one is to put a bare 2K halogen globe on the end of a stick, no housing, but it's not the brightest light in the world once you back it up enough to get a sharp pattern. 

 

It may look stylized, but the other way would be to photograph glass with rain running down it against black, with black window frames, and then project that onto the actor with an HD projector.


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#5 Oliver Hadlow Martin

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:11 PM

Conrad Hall got the effect in "In Cold Blood":

 

 

 

You see though that the actor is only a few feet away to get a sharp pattern.

 

I've found that you'll get better beads of water if the glass is dry and then the water being sprayed has some glycerin in it.  But the key is the sharp light -- I've done it various ways, one is to put a bare 2K halogen globe on the end of a stick, no housing, but it's not the brightest light in the world once you back it up enough to get a sharp pattern. 

 

It may look stylized, but the other way would be to photograph glass with rain running down it against black, with black window frames, and then project that onto the actor with an HD projector.

 

What a lovely shot. I should probably watch that movie.


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#6 Scott T Summers

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 02:55 PM

In addition to what David is saying,  I have had art dept. rig a rain machine to plexy glass with the fresnel open off of a 5k or 2k blasting light through it.  Using the plexy glass versus a real window will give you more control over the detail and placement of your shadows.


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#7 Phillip Mosness

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 01:07 AM

Could the effect be shot by itself then projected onto the actress?

Like in small format, 16mm or super8 reversal and projected? Or with a video projector?


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