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#1 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 11:19 AM

Seems there's a whole production line of 4k models.

 

http://www.hollywood...ess-gets-694123


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#2 Tim Tyler

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 10:35 PM

 

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1. 4x 3G-SDI main outputs for 4K/UHD and 2K/HD
In addition to baseband 4K/UHD and 2K/HD output AJA Raw via 3G-SDI at up to 4K 120 fps

 

2. Input connector
For timecode input

 

3. Reference connector
For connecting genlock/sync

 

4. USB connector
For connecting USB powered accessories such as assistant lights

 

5. 2x XLR balanced analog audio inputs
Featuring independent selections for line, mic and phantom power

 

6. 2x LANC ports
For start/stop triggering via AJA LANC Collars or third-party LANC controllers

 

7. 2x 3G-SDI monitor outputs for 2K/HD
Outputs can be configured to display superimposed information

 

8. 2x HDMI monitor outputs
Features an option for superimposed camera data information (in 2K/HD); rear HDMI monitor output may additionally be configured for 4K up to 24 fps and Ultra HD up to 30 fps

 

9. 2-pin input power connector
For connecting to third-party battery plates

 

10. Thunderbolt™ connector
Output AJA Raw via Thunderbolt up to 4K 30 fps

 

11. 4-pin XLR power connector

 

12. LAN connector
For network configuration and control

 

13. Mini TRS headphone jack and volume control knob

 

14. 2-pin output power connector
For powering accessories like electronic viewfinders

 

15. Sensor plane post
Two positions are available for the sensor plane post


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#3 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 01:49 AM

A link to the AJA site: http://www.aja.com/en/products/cion


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#4 Martin Hong

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 09:37 PM

So you still have to get the recorder plus the ssd. Maybe $9000 is not the best deal?


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#5 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 05:16 AM

An interview at the AJA stand


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#6 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 11:12 AM

An interview that gives some background to the camera.

 


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#7 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 09:13 AM

Here's a PVC interview about the Cion workflow.


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#8 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 06:49 AM

MTF are debuting Cion lens adapters.

 

http://www.redsharkn...n-lens-adaptors


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#9 Robert Houllahan

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 09:40 AM

Looks like a nice camera, however I think it is a disappointment that it can't record 120fps to the in camera cards like you can with the Alexa.


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#10 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 10:41 AM

I suspect the recording media in this price range wouldn't be up to recording 120fps, at least not without windowing the image.


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#11 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 12:14 PM

The recording media is in my view actually alarmingly expensive, considering that commodity flash of similar capacity and performance is available for less money.  Either way, it's a choice of how much buffering you want to provide, how you want to handle recording it, and how much compression you want to use. After all, the FS700 will do 960fps to flash cards - eventually, and if you're happy with 25Mbps.

 

But in general I'm very suspicious of people dreaming up new flash formats. The justification most often given is that of physical robustness. This was valid back when SATA connectors were intended for a few dozen insertions in RAID arrays, but the industry has recognised this and the datasheets for modern SATA connectors specify much greater capability. Beyond that, vendor lock-in and price gouging on what's frankly fairly everyday technology seems to be the order of the day.

 

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#12 Tim Tyler

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 01:01 PM

To think... I paid $8000 for 128GB of P2 cards five years ago. Grrr.


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#13 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 02:37 PM

Shall we call you Mr. Early Adopter?


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#14 Tim Tyler

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 03:06 PM

I started with the P2 system in 2005 but I hardly ever use it anymore.To be honest, the P2 cards and camera paid for themselves several times over so I should not complain. Panasonic's tech and media format never once failed me either. I just wish I could re-purpose the cards in an on-board recorder or something.


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#15 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 03:54 PM

They're almost certainly each made of four SD cards, which you can quite literally rip out of them if you feel like it. This might be useful in a sony NEX camera, GH series DSLR, or audio recorder. I'm not sure what class of SD card they'd effectively be.

 

I seem to recall that they won't just format as PCMCIA mass storage.

 

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#16 Tim Tyler

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 04:02 PM

I believe the SD cards are soldered.  :unsure: 

 

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#17 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 05:03 PM

I've seen other designs than that where they would pop out. Hmm. Desoldering braid?


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Posted 07 July 2014 - 10:24 AM

I"ve been holding off on a 4K camera for a while.  I'm giving this one a shot since the price tag is reasonable.   Three 512 drives and a Pak Dock came to about $4,000.  However considering the same type of media with a reader for the F55 would be closer to $6,000, I think it's within the market.  

 

The RAW situation is a little weird as it's not straight up RAW to the Kipro as actual clips that you can use in an NLE with Pro-Res Proxies like the F55.  The raw seems to be only available through the Thunderbolt as data to a laptop with Debayering software.  or through 3GSDI to a "corvid Ultra" like box for display purposes.  But nothing is available for field recording of RAW.   This seems a little clunky but perhaps there will be a 3rd party raw recorder.  I don't understand it at all.  Why doesnt' the KiProQuad take care of that?

 

However they seem super confident that the Pro-Res 4444 renders RAW kind of redundant anyway.  Which I love in theory but I don't know how convinced others will be about that.  

 

I asked last week about the color space, log gamma and ISO as well but there's "No information at this time".  Which has me worried that the "summer" release may be pushed back.

 

MTF said the mounts are going to be ready in about 4 weeks.  Tried to order through B&H but there's no sku yet.  Anyone learns anything about the actual recording specs keep us posted.


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#19 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 11:06 AM

Looks like a nice camera, however I think it is a disappointment that it can't record 120fps to the in camera cards like you can with the Alexa.

 

Seems it does do 120fps

 

"4K (4096x2160) progressive 23.98/24/25/29.97/30/50/59.94/60/119.88/120"


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#20 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 11:48 AM

To the original point of the thread, I do rather like the look of Cion.

 

I hope they offer an HD sensor windowing mode. Makes it much more applicable, with B4 lenses, to documentaries.


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