Jump to content


Photo

Viewfinder question


  • Please log in to reply
10 replies to this topic

#1 Michael Maier

Michael Maier
  • Basic Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 216 posts
  • Camera Operator

Posted 02 May 2005 - 09:15 PM

How many lines of resolution in the F900 viewfinder? What controls besides peaking, sharpness, contrast and zebras?
Thanks.
  • 0

#2 Michael Maier

Michael Maier
  • Basic Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 216 posts
  • Camera Operator

Posted 04 May 2005 - 03:13 PM

Nobody knows?
  • 0

#3 Kevin Zanit

Kevin Zanit
  • Sustaining Members
  • 1223 posts
  • Cinematographer
  • LA

Posted 04 May 2005 - 06:15 PM

I asked around a little and no one knew the answer. It is not a high enough number to be 110% sure about focus, but it is high enough to get pretty damn close on most shots.

The only controls I am aware of are the Peeking, Zebra, Contrast, and Sharpness controls (as you mentioned). The rest of the options involve display settings (as in what to display in the finder).

There could be more, I just don't know them.

I am also assuming you are talking about the factory stock viewfinder.


Kevin Zanit
  • 0

#4 Michael Maier

Michael Maier
  • Basic Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 216 posts
  • Camera Operator

Posted 04 May 2005 - 06:31 PM

Yeah, I was talking about the stock viewfinder. I asked because somebody told me it was the very same resolution as any DVCAM, Digibeta and even the latest Betacam like the D600. 600 lines. I was really surprised, since the camera's resolution is almost the double of that. I couldn't confirm it, but many told me that for sure it's less than 1080 lines that the camera resolves. Reason it's impossible to shoot wihtout a monitor. Sony doesn't list it on the website, so it's hard to tell.
  • 0

#5 Michael Maier

Michael Maier
  • Basic Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 216 posts
  • Camera Operator

Posted 11 May 2005 - 04:44 PM

I find it very weird that this information can't be found anywhere and nobody seems to know.
  • 0

#6 David Mullen ASC

David Mullen ASC
  • Sustaining Members
  • 20074 posts
  • Cinematographer
  • Los Angeles

Posted 11 May 2005 - 05:29 PM

Yeah, I was talking about the stock viewfinder. I asked because somebody told me it was the very same resolution as any DVCAM, Digibeta and even the latest Betacam like the D600.  600 lines. I was really surprised, since the camera's resolution is almost the double of that. I couldn't confirm it, but many told me that for sure it's less than 1080 lines that the camera resolves. Reason it's impossible to shoot wihtout a monitor. Sony doesn't list it on the website, so it's hard to tell.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>


"Impossible" is overstating it. I mean, the viewfinder is only 1" in size, so does it really need to be 1920 x 1080? No viewfinder THAT small is going to serve all needs anyway even IF it were 1920 x 1080. You need a larger image to judge certain things, and you obviously need a color image to judge color.
  • 0

#7 drew_town

drew_town
  • Sustaining Members
  • 383 posts
  • Camera Operator
  • Southeast US

Posted 11 May 2005 - 09:23 PM

"Impossible" is overstating it.  I mean, the viewfinder is only 1" in size, so does it really need to be 1920 x 1080?  No viewfinder THAT small is going to serve all needs anyway even IF it were 1920 x 1080.  You need a larger image to judge certain things, and you obviously need a color image to judge color.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I agree. I shoot a lot of footage with an XL1s and everyone knows about that thing's viewfinder. I have to have a monitor to see what I'm shooting and I can't begin to judge focus with the viewfinder. I've shot with the 700 model Sony HD camera. In comparison to the XL's viewfinder, I love it. But I still like to have a monitor.
  • 0

#8 Wade Muller

Wade Muller
  • Basic Members
  • PipPip
  • 11 posts
  • Cinematographer
  • Bangkok,Thailand

Posted 13 May 2005 - 12:33 AM

You can raise the VF Detail in the operator menu try +65
  • 0

#9 Michael Maier

Michael Maier
  • Basic Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 216 posts
  • Camera Operator

Posted 13 May 2005 - 05:44 AM

"Impossible" is overstating it.  I mean, the viewfinder is only 1" in size, so does it really need to be 1920 x 1080?  No viewfinder THAT small is going to serve all needs anyway even IF it were 1920 x 1080.  You need a larger image to judge certain things, and you obviously need a color image to judge color.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>



I know what you mean. But I'm able to get pretty accuarte focus when shooting with a DSR570/DVC200 only with the viewfinder. By the way, do you know the F900 viewfinder's resoltuion David?

Edited by Michael Maier, 13 May 2005 - 05:44 AM.

  • 0

#10 David Mullen ASC

David Mullen ASC
  • Sustaining Members
  • 20074 posts
  • Cinematographer
  • Los Angeles

Posted 13 May 2005 - 01:29 PM

According to this:
http://www.gearprevi...lm/hd/f900.html
"Horizontal Resolution: 500 TV Line (at center)"

According to this:
http://www.broadcam..../accuscene.html
The Accuscene color viewfinder is 1280 x 720.

According to this:
http://www.cinealta.com/product/acquisitio...resolution'
The Sony LCD color viewfinder is 960 x 540.

All the info on the web, mainly from Sony's product brochure, have this "500 TV Line (at center") info for the b&w CRT viewfinder (the HDVF-20A). Don't know exactly what that means in terms of pixel resolution. Maybe it's 960 x 540 like their color LCD one.
  • 0

#11 John Pytlak RIP

John Pytlak RIP

    (deceased)

  • Sustaining Members
  • 3499 posts
  • Industry Rep
  • Rochester, NY 14650-1922

Posted 13 May 2005 - 02:30 PM

FWIW, even prosumer digital still camera like the Kodak Z7590 have color viewfinders with at least 300,000 pixels:

http://www.kodak.com...pq-locale=en_US

Viewfinder  Very high-resolution electronic viewfinder (311K pixels)


  • 0


New Pro Video - New and Used Equipment

Metropolis Post

Visual Products

Willys Widgets

Rig Wheels Passport

Wooden Camera

The Slider

CineLab

Paralinx LLC

Technodolly

Glidecam

Aerial Filmworks

Gamma Ray Digital Inc

Media Blackout - Custom Cables and AKS

Broadcast Solutions Inc

Ritter Battery

Abel Cine

CineTape

rebotnix Technologies

FJS International, LLC

Tai Audio

Willys Widgets

Wooden Camera

Metropolis Post

Broadcast Solutions Inc

Tai Audio

New Pro Video - New and Used Equipment

Paralinx LLC

CineLab

rebotnix Technologies

Aerial Filmworks

Media Blackout - Custom Cables and AKS

Glidecam

FJS International, LLC

Technodolly

The Slider

Gamma Ray Digital Inc

Rig Wheels Passport

Visual Products

Ritter Battery

CineTape

Abel Cine