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#1 Mi Ki

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 04:46 PM

Do I need (out of my budget) fresnel lights for making light patterns on the wall etc. or is there a cheaper way??


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#2 Bill DiPietra

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 05:00 PM

Do I need (out of my budget) fresnel lights for making light patterns on the wall etc. or is there a cheaper way??

 

You could achieve that by candlelight, but I'm guessing that's not what you are looking to do.  So what is the budget?  Are you renting or borrowing?  Is this digital or film?...


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#3 Mi Ki

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 05:18 PM

Digital. Probably Canon 5DMII. Almost zero budget - I have some work lights and fluorescent lights only :)) I want to make interior more interesting and moody by creating all sorts of lighting patterns on the wall.
 

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#4 Jean-Marc Plante

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 06:30 PM

Use Work lights, 250 and 500w, though they dish out insane heat. Put them outside if possible, cut through foam cores if you want light patterns on a wall.

 

I also used china balls bought at Ikea for about 4$ a piece, with fitting bulbs, fitted on pole to get fill light when I need it. We Had Boomers, mexican style, just for China balls, with paint extending poles bought for peanuts at a local reno store.

 

Use taped and gelled flashlights held in the camera axis for eye lights.

 

Basic poor cinematographer tips 101! Hope it helps you!


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#5 Jean-Marc Plante

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 06:37 PM

I also found a 2k Colortran Fresnel for 200$, Brand new. Works great for large shots that require a good strong key light. Heavy, doesn't like rain at all, but works great otherwise!


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#6 Bill DiPietra

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 06:40 PM

If you're just experimenting, I say try everything you can think of. You will get an idea of what works for what instances and you will also understand why.
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#7 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 07:01 PM

What Bill said, but also the work lights. At some point, light is light - it's what you bounce it off, filter it through, or cut it with that matters. For this reason, you should also work out how to build a few basic flags. Bits of (ideally black) cardboard clamped to microphone stands works. Substitute white card for bounces.

 

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#8 Mi Ki

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 07:40 PM

Once I tried to use slide projector for lighting patterns (I put a small gobo instead of slide into the projector), it worked a bit better than work lights.


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#9 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 07:58 PM

As Phil says, use improvised flags. If you've enough funds, check out the possibly  of hiring a couple of theatre or film lights with floor stands, you don't need to own these things. 


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#10 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 08:16 PM

You need to test your work lights to make sure that they produce "clean" shadow patterns without double edges, etc.  Just to be safe, I'd carry at least one fresnel, maybe a 650w.


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