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#1 Richard Boddington

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 12:43 PM

I want all my fellow filmmakers to see a demonstration of what a low life "company" Youtube is.  Here is a full upload of my movie:

 

 

They simply ignore repeated requests by me, the copyright holder, to have it removed. Instead they leave it there and collect the ad revenue from criminal activity.  Just as they do from the thousands and thousands of other illegally uploaded movies on Youtube.

 

Youtube defends this practice by saying that the "safe harbour" provision of the DMCA protects them.  Yet, they refuse to even remove content after several take down notices have been issued to them.

 

Youtube, as a filmmaker, I want you to know what a low life vermin group of people you really are! You are running nothing more than a criminal organization, and what I posted above is the proof!!

 

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#2 Mark Dunn

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 12:55 PM

My understanding is that they lose their DMCA 'get out of jail free card' if they don't take it down.

Is it registered with the USCO?


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#3 Richard Boddington

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 01:12 PM

My understanding is that they lose their DMCA 'get out of jail free card' if they don't take it down.

Is it registered with the USCO?

 

That's the legal theory, but they simply ignore most take down requests and profit from the ad sales just the same.  The entire site is a massive scam protected by well paid lawyers, that's all it is.

 

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#4 Richard Boddington

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 01:15 PM

If you call their number they list for copyright infractions, they give a recorded message, with no option to talk to a human being.  Gee I wonder why?  Is it because Youtube knows what a bunch of lowlife scum they are and refuse to face the music?

 

https://support.goog...r/6005908?hl=en

 

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 02:17 PM

All I get is:

“Against th…” This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by
Against the Wild Films Inc.”

It seems they honored your takedown request.


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#6 Richard Boddington

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 02:20 PM

Hoooray! After weeks of bugging and threatening them they finally complied!  Now why was that so hard Youtube?  And why Youtube did you allow the material to be uploaded in the first place?

 

Of course I have to check weekly and start the process all over again, if it goes back up.  This is really ridiculous!

 

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#7 Mark Dunn

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 02:44 PM

It was still up when I posted so that's just been done. Maybe they 'take out the trash' at a particular time.

THey don't police what goes up, they couldn't possibly cope with the volume.


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#8 Freya Black

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 03:37 PM

I want all my fellow filmmakers to see a demonstration of what a low life "company" Youtube is.  Here is a full upload of my movie:

 

Bother missed it! ;)

 

It doesn't seem to have made it to the UK sadly. I was hoping to see it for sale in the local supermarket here.

 

Hey at least people like it enough to go to the effort of uploading it to youtube on the upside, so you must have connected there at some level.

 

...but yeah piracy makes up a big part of youtubes business.

They will crow to high heaven if anyone pirates their stuff tho.

A bit like Microsoft for that matter.

A long history of this kind of thing.

 

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#9 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 04:55 PM

I've noticed that YouTube has been cleaning out a number of whole features posted to their site.


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#10 Richard Boddington

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 05:12 PM

What ticks me off to no end is that Youtube does NOT delete the accounts of the up-loaders!!  What the heck!

 

Considering the amount of illegal material on YouTube and the staggering ad revenues YouTube makes from views of this content, YouTube has now successfully become one of the biggest "legal" criminal enterprises in history.  Al Capone would be impressed with YouTube's business model.  Referring to YouTube as a "business" is a stretch of course.

 

I took screen shots of my material on the site before they pulled it down, and I am now pursuing it via their legal dept, who simply passes the buck to a new dept.  It really is mind boggling what they are getting away with in full view of the authorities.

 

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#11 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 05:23 PM

Was it Benjamin Franklin that said "The price of copyright is eternal vigilance"?


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#12 Richard Boddington

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 08:02 PM

One practical solution YouTube could undertake would be to make everyone have an account under their real name, and have this name displayed.  It would be easy to set up having people verify their identity with a credit card.  If a person's real name was displayed the amount illegal uploads would drop by 90% I figure.

 

It's a very simple practical solution, it would give people serious pause before they upload content they do not own the rights to.  Which would cause YouTube to lose billions in ad revenue.  Ooooops, I just shot a hole in my own plan.  Why would YouTube put a policy in place that would greatly reduce their revenue?  Never mind.

 

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#13 Freya Black

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Posted 21 January 2015 - 04:50 PM

One practical solution YouTube could undertake would be to make everyone have an account under their real name, and have this name displayed.  It would be easy to set up having people verify their identity with a credit card.  If a person's real name was displayed the amount illegal uploads would drop by 90% I figure.

 

I think youtube use would plummet generally. It's not a practical solution as Youtube is very popular with the worlds children. Kinda surprised you are suggesting this in the context of a childrens movie too.

 

In any case there is no need to do anything that draconian and nasty, they could limit piracy in other ways but they aren't all that motivated as you may have seen.

 

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Edited by Freya Black, 21 January 2015 - 04:51 PM.

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#14 John E Clark

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Posted 21 January 2015 - 05:15 PM

I see you're film is being legally distributed via Amazon... is there some exclusive deal that would disallow you to distribute through Google, and thereby give 'incentive' for Google/Youtube to more quickly respond to potential copyright violations that would take away more directly from their sales?


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Posted 21 January 2015 - 06:15 PM

Someone calling himself Richard Boddington posts a trailer for "Against The Wild", on YouTube, and the first comment shown is from a Richard Boddington: "Available at all US Walmarts."

Who's getting free advertising from the great satan and whore of the earth?

 

YouTube is a cultural asset we should not belittle or begrudge.  I find information I need on YouTube, including visual information to decide whether to see various directors' films.

 

Google has researched a new video codec for its YouTube streaming.  Google makes little money from YouTube relative to YouTube's cultural contribution.

 

YouTube is more than entertainment.  Its cultural contribution relies on its liberality. The unavoidable intermingling of entertainment with other contribution results in some commercial grievances.  The aggrieved may post their gripes as YouTube videos and see how many views they get.


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#16 Richard Boddington

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Posted 21 January 2015 - 07:47 PM

The liabilities of having YouTube around far out weigh any perceived benefits Dennis.  It's like arguing that casinos generate jobs, and therefore are good for the economy. Well what about dealing with all the gambling addicts, organized crime, and money the casinos suck out of the economy away from other businesses?

 

Posting the trailer is perfectly legal, what the vast majority of others are doing is not.  Let's face it, most of the views on YouTube are to view illegally uploaded professionally made, and copyrighted, movies and TV shows.  It's not to view the works of amateurs, whose work has little commercial value.  YouTube is fully aware of this fact, which is why they refuse to take any significant action against the uploading of copyrighted material.

 

I stand by my comments on YouTube Dennis.  I will continue to belittle and begrudge them because they are a criminal organization.  BTW this is a position also shared by many of the world's biggest entertainment companies, including Viacom.

 

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#17 Richard Boddington

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Posted 21 January 2015 - 07:50 PM

In any case there is no need to do anything that draconian and nasty, 

 

Getting people to post on YouTube with their real names is draconian and nasty? Oh you mean like it's draconian and nasty that we have to post on this site using our real names?

 

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Posted 22 January 2015 - 04:53 AM


Kinda surprised you are suggesting this in the context of a childrens movie too.

 

 

 

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Children aren't doing the piracy.


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#19 Richard Boddington

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Posted 22 January 2015 - 11:31 AM

Yes Mark, so under 13, exempt from my new rule.

 

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#20 John E Clark

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Posted 22 January 2015 - 01:29 PM

The liabilities of having YouTube around far out weigh any perceived benefits Dennis.  It's like arguing that casinos generate jobs, and therefore are good for the economy. Well what about dealing with all the gambling addicts, organized crime, and money the casinos suck out of the economy away from other businesses?

 

I'll not argue on the point of youtube vs you, other than to note, I was unaware of your film until you posted the youtube video... but then perhaps I'm not in the demographic for your film anyway...

 

On the point of casinos and indian reservations and jobs...

 

When I was young I lived about three miles from an indian reservation, and the only 'news' one heard from the reservation was when someone killed someone else, with alcohol usually involved.

 

Fast forward after 35 years or so of 'indian gaming'. The reservation now owns significant tracts of land, several hotels in the main city, one or perhaps 2 golf courses, as well as most of the reservation inhabitants are employed at something more useful than drinking, shooting, and when needed hitchhiking into town for more booze...

 

So, in my opinion, yes 'gaming' can produce 'wealth'... provided one doesn't let the Mafia in the back door...

 

Criminalizing things is the surest way to get the Mafia (or local equivalent) in. To be sure the Mafia is involved in various brackish waters of legitimate businesses... but crminalizing pushes such activities in to the high seas of crime.

 

With that in mind, by requiring a 'credit card' or other proof of 'legitimate id', would only produce more opportunity for identity thieves to sell stolen card numbers on the internet to more people who want to circumvent such measures.


Edited by John E Clark, 22 January 2015 - 01:32 PM.

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