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#1 Steven P. Denny

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Posted 02 August 2015 - 05:12 PM

Does anyone know of agencies that represent Local 600 Camera Operators?

 

I do know of many agents that represent DP's.  Is there representation for Operators out there?

 

Thanks.

 

 

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#2 Gregory Irwin

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Posted 02 August 2015 - 05:21 PM

There are agents for steadicam operators - no rep for non steadicam operators. Russell Todd Agency and Wendy Schnieder are the top two agents for steadicam ops in Los Angeles.

 

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#3 Richard Boddington

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Posted 02 August 2015 - 06:03 PM

I just love reading these threads, everyone in LA has an agent, grips and gaffers have agents now.

 

Sorry, but I about fall out my chair laughing when I hear that a grip, AC, camera operator, etc has an agent.  I have actually been told by some of these folks, I'll turn you over to my agent so we can negotiate a deal.  Negotiate a deal? Ha! I just hang up the phone and move on.

 

What's next, film crew demanding entourage fees, first class airfare and hotel rooms, and an extra double wide trailer?

 

And LA crew wonder why producers fled the city 20 years ago, how many features shoot in LA these days?

 

Begin flame.....now.

 

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#4 JD Hartman

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Posted 02 August 2015 - 06:13 PM

What's next, film crew demanding entourage fees, first class airfare and hotel rooms, and an extra double wide trailer?

 

R,

 

No, next they'll want a personal assistant and a fluffer.


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#5 Richard Boddington

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Posted 02 August 2015 - 06:17 PM

The "personal assistant" request has been made before.  You get a hilarious email from an agent saying, "the artist requests..."

 

The client is always referred to as, "the artist."  I'm sorry but the screenwriter might be an "artist," but a guy who runs cable and sets up lights is not, an "artist."

 

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#6 Gregory Irwin

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Posted 03 August 2015 - 10:52 AM

I just love reading these threads, everyone in LA has an agent, grips and gaffers have agents now.

 

Sorry, but I about fall out my chair laughing when I hear that a grip, AC, camera operator, etc has an agent.  I have actually been told by some of these folks, I'll turn you over to my agent so we can negotiate a deal.  Negotiate a deal? Ha! I just hang up the phone and move on.

 

What's next, film crew demanding entourage fees, first class airfare and hotel rooms, and an extra double wide trailer?

 

And LA crew wonder why producers fled the city 20 years ago, how many features shoot in LA these days?

 

Begin flame.....now.

 

R,

 

Well Richard, in reality there are no "Entourage" style agents for ACs, non-steadicam operators or grips.  But we do have business agents representing us with regards to our union contract.  I'm disgusted to hear that you, as a producer and employer take so much pleasure in your industry's employees potential misery.  You truly are an exploiter!!! It makes me extremely happy to deal with producers who understand that they need a qualified labor force and are more than willing to compensate and play by the rules knowing that their employees are well taken care of because they know that they are receiving the best work and that we will all work together again.  My current producers on STAR TREK are wonderful and professional and we work TOGETHER to get the job done.  

 

And you state that you will not negotiate a deal???  My God, negotiation is how we deal with one another on a daily business basis!!! What sort of "producer" are you???  That's not producing.  And as for your comment about producers leaving LA, well guess what? It's LA based crew who are being traveled all over the world in key positions - and yes, we are traveled in First Class and get hotel rooms if not apartments or condos (not shared).

 

To borrow your phrase, I fall out of my chair giggling to I know that I will never have to deal with a producer like you who offers nothing but myopic views and maybe a credit.  Good luck Richard.  I actually wish you all of my best.  I mean that.

 

Sincerely,

Greg -  who is currently in working in Canada - AGAIN!


Edited by Gregory Irwin, 03 August 2015 - 11:07 AM.

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#7 Mark Dunn

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Posted 03 August 2015 - 11:02 AM

>What sort of "producer" are you???

 

As far as I can tell, the sort of producer who gets pictures made and released.


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#8 Gregory Irwin

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Posted 03 August 2015 - 11:12 AM

>What sort of "producer" are you???

 

As far as I can tell, the sort of producer who gets pictures made and released.

 

Big deal!!  That automatically goes with the territory if you call yourself a producer.  

 

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#9 Ed David

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Posted 03 August 2015 - 11:38 AM

I will represent anyone - if you have a great attitude and are fun to be with on set - you can pull focus or operate for me any day.

The DP is many other position's agent - and we take no percentage! 

 

Email me at ed@kittyguerrilla.com if you would like a spot on my roster :)


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#10 Steven P. Denny

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Posted 03 August 2015 - 11:40 AM

Thank you, Gregory, for replying to my simple inquiry with a simple answer, sans the insecure drama.


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#11 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 03 August 2015 - 11:58 AM

I'm reminded of a line in the movie "1492" when a noble tells Columbus that his contract demands show that he is too ambitious... He replies "And were you never ambitious? Or is ambition only a virtue in nobles, a fault in the rest of us?"

Is hustling for the best deal only a virtue in producers, for the rest of the crew, a fault?
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#12 Gregory Irwin

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Posted 03 August 2015 - 12:36 PM

Thank you, Gregory, for replying to my simple inquiry with a simple answer, sans the insecure drama.

My pleasure Steven...

 

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Posted 03 August 2015 - 01:30 PM

 

Big deal!!  That automatically goes with the territory if you call yourself a producer.  

 

G

 

A picture is quite a big deal, isn't it? Quite a few of them, I should imagine. I wouldn't know, I don't call myself a producer.

 

I'd assumed that the truism that Americans don't understand irony was just that. Hmm.


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#14 Richard Boddington

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Posted 03 August 2015 - 04:11 PM

Oh blah blah blah Gregory, I get emails and calls endlessly from crew who want to work with me again.  What does that tell you?  The only thing you've produced is BS so what would you know about it anyway?

 

Blow it out your ear, idiot.

 

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#15 Richard Boddington

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Posted 03 August 2015 - 04:15 PM

Sincerely,

Greg -  who is currently in working in Canada - AGAIN!

 

Oh really Mr. "Anti-Exploitation" is here in Canada stealing work from Canadians.  Good for you Gregory, good for you. Job thief.

 

I should point out to everyone that the USA does NOT allow Canadian ACs into the country to work on US productions.

 

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#16 Richard Boddington

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Posted 03 August 2015 - 04:21 PM

 

No, next they'll want a personal assistant and a fluffer.

 

Well JD, you and I proved our points on this one!

 

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Posted 03 August 2015 - 05:20 PM

Thirty years ago or more, there weren't even agents for cinematographers -- the thing is that the business evolves, for better or worse.  Producers who extoll the virtues of the free market should not get upset that one of the outgrowths of that are things like trade unions and business agents -- everyone fights for a piece of the pie, that's sort of the nature of markets.  Richard is, of course, free to not hire crew people with representation, whatever the ramifications of that might be, and people are free to not work with Richard if they don't like the deal, etc.

 

But until I got an agent in 1999 and until I joined a union in 2003, I more or less just took what was offered to me, and for that, was relegated to earning $20,000 a year as a DP if I managed to book three features that year, and often I only booked two back then.  So in my case, I needed the help of an agent and a union to push for a better deal, so I understand why others may also use those tools, and I understand why a producer might rather just have crew and cast that just took what was offered to them, based on the budget -- I don't resent that either.   It's just business, we don't have to take things personally.


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#18 Richard Boddington

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Posted 03 August 2015 - 08:40 PM

 Richard is, of course, free to not hire crew people with representation, whatever the ramifications of that might be, and people are free to not work with Richard if they don't like the deal, etc.

 

So far it's never an issue, there are 100 people for every job in film, probably more.  What other industry can easily get free labour from people with just a Mandy ad, also free.  Not that I advocate getting people to work for you for free, however, it is easily possible.  Producers can also very easily work in places where there are no film unions, they can also work in unionized countries and simply refuse to hire union labour.  All very easy.

 

In Canada and the USA there is this thing called a "constitution," surprisingly it offers a lot of protections, even to film producers.

 

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#19 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 03 August 2015 - 08:47 PM

What does the U.S. Constitution have to do with any of this?


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Posted 03 August 2015 - 09:58 PM

Just that producers have a lot of freedom to operate their business as they please, and the unions can do little about it regardless of what they may think or threaten.  And unions have threatened me many times, mainly the Toronto branch of IATSE.

 

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