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#1 Andrew Conrad

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Posted 25 September 2015 - 06:34 PM

Found this on Kickstarter: 

 

https://www.kickstar...nd-new-4-axis-m

 

They seem to think they've solved the gimbal bouncing issue.

 

Thoughts?


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#2 Tyler Purcell

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Posted 25 September 2015 - 07:00 PM

Yep interesting, very simple. Though I don't understand the application because steadicam's work great and knock-off's are pretty cheap. 


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#3 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 26 September 2015 - 01:00 AM

Cheaper to buy a Ronin then hire a steadycam op for a few days.

 

Also there are things a Ronin can do a steadycam can't, such as hand-offs and the like-- though I think the reality is economic. Steadycam and a good op is substantially better, IMHO than a Ronin.


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#4 Tyler Purcell

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Posted 26 September 2015 - 01:40 AM

Steadicam's are SOOOO cheap today. You can get the Chinese knock-off's for around $2500 bux. I mean, someday when I get an URSA Mini, I may invest in one because that would be a pretty sweet rig! If only people paid money for freelance cinematographers! LOL :P
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#5 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 26 September 2015 - 07:21 AM

Sure, but you're paying for the operator, not the rig, really. And I would 100% not trust a chinese knockoff steadicam or an operator who flew one, with anything but the most easily replaced rental cameras.


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#6 JD Hartman

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Posted 26 September 2015 - 08:05 AM

Found this on Kickstarter: 

 

https://www.kickstar...nd-new-4-axis-m

 

They seem to think they've solved the gimbal bouncing issue.

 

Thoughts?

 

Wow do you really have an Engineer involved in the design?  Like a Mechanical Engineer, a licensed P.E. or similar degreed Engineer?

 

Funny how this is you first post here and you found....something stinks.


Edited by JD Hartman, 26 September 2015 - 08:05 AM.

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#7 Tyler Purcell

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Posted 26 September 2015 - 01:28 PM

Sure, but you're paying for the operator, not the rig, really. And I would 100% not trust a chinese knockoff steadicam or an operator who flew one, with anything but the most easily replaced rental cameras.


Tru, but if you owned it/operated it and took the "made in china" stickers off, it might not be that bad. ;)
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#8 JD Hartman

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Posted 26 September 2015 - 03:14 PM

Tru, but if you owned it/operated it and took the "made in china" stickers off, it might not be that bad. ;)

 

....and fixed all the places they took shortcuts in materials and manufacturing, you might have something acceptable.  Or you could, "Just say No!" to knockoffs and products that rely on stolen design and engineering.


Edited by JD Hartman, 26 September 2015 - 03:15 PM.

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#9 Satsuki Murashige

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Posted 26 September 2015 - 05:28 PM

I think when you're just starting out as a Steadicam operator you should use whatever you can get your hands on to learn. But eventually most upgrade to a full-size Steadicam brand rig. It takes years of hard work to become a good operator, it's not something you can just pick up and be competent at right away.

As far as trusting an operator's brand of rig, it really all comes down to liability and CYA in my opinion. I've seen all kinds of rigs work properly and have mechanical failures on set, including full size Steadicam rigs. But no one's ever been fired for for buying IBM stock, if you know what I mean. ;)

Just saw that Sachtler has a new gimbal system called the Artemis Maxima 30, priced about the same as a Movi M10. It looks really good actually. Would be interested in trying it out.
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#10 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 26 September 2015 - 06:24 PM

 "Just say No!" to knockoffs and products that rely on stolen design and engineering.

 

One of the most popular high-end, US-made Steadicam-style stabilisers of the last couple of decades was, broadly, a clone. Let's not make it only wrong when the Chinese do it.

 

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#11 JD Hartman

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Posted 26 September 2015 - 07:32 PM

 

One of the most popular high-end, US-made Steadicam-style stabilisers of the last couple of decades was, broadly, a clone. Let's not make it only wrong when the Chinese do it.

 

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Did it violate patents?  Was it a copy down to the last nut and bolt, reverse engineered or merely similar?


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#12 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 26 September 2015 - 07:41 PM

I'm not sure you really want to shackle your argument to the idea that the patent office is somehow an arbiter of what's good or right.


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Posted 26 September 2015 - 07:53 PM

Not sure where you're going with this.  A patent is supposed to allow the holder to seek legal recourse from un-lawful infringement.  Enable the holder to protect their intellectual property from counterfeiting.


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#14 Gregg MacPherson

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Posted 26 September 2015 - 08:12 PM

 

...One of the most popular high-end, US-made Steadicam-style stabilisers of the last couple of decades was, broadly, a clone. ...

 
Can you say specifically which two objects you are refering to? The original and the clone?
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#15 Tyler Purcell

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Posted 26 September 2015 - 08:58 PM

http://www.thecineci...ion-system.html
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#16 Gregg MacPherson

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Posted 26 September 2015 - 09:33 PM

 

Can you say specifically which two objects you are refering to? The original and the clone?


@Tyler.
I don't see how you, pointing to a probable clone, without identifying the original, as if answering for Phil, is a legitimate response to my post.

But I supose, simply dropping a URL without comment, we have no idea what you are responding to.

If an original and a clone are identified, then the conversation can be more meaningful. At least more interesting.

Edited by Gregg MacPherson, 26 September 2015 - 09:36 PM.

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#17 Tyler Purcell

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Posted 26 September 2015 - 09:35 PM

Sorry Gregg, I was just showing a cheap steadicam.
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#18 Gregg MacPherson

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Posted 26 September 2015 - 09:39 PM

Hey, my mood, you jumped ahead of me, and it's a snappy day.

The debates about design plagarism are all really interesting, if there is a legitimate start point, like comparing two actual objects. Maybe Phil could.
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#19 Robin R Probyn

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Posted 26 September 2015 - 11:04 PM

I read years ago Garrett Brown.. saying he had made more money from successfully suing,or getting an out of court payoff. (cant remember specifically)..from Panavsion ..when they came out with Panaglide .. than he had from steady cam..   


Edited by Robin R Probyn, 26 September 2015 - 11:05 PM.

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