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#1 Luca Rocchini

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Posted 22 December 2015 - 02:48 PM

Hi!

 

I have been looking for a new 16mm battery for my Eclair ACL2, but no luck. My old battery is in the picture attached.

 

I have tried this type  DC 12V 4800mAh Super Rechargeable Portable Lithium-ion: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics  , doesn't work at all. And this one 12V DC Rechargeable Li-ion Battery Pack for CCTV Camera: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics which works only up to 25fps, the camera stops working at 50 and 75fps. It seems to be a lack of strength.

 

Any tips to help me finding an appropriate battery? I still have a few BW cans in my fridge!

 

Thanks for your time!

Luca

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#2 Mark Dunn

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Posted 22 December 2015 - 02:55 PM

THere's a recent thread on this for a 35BL here.

http://www.cinematog...9683&hl=battery

You're a bit unlucky with those batteries, maybe it's just a quality or spec issue. Perhaps you should go with tried and tested sealed lead acid.


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#3 Jean-Louis Seguin

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Posted 22 December 2015 - 03:02 PM

It is dishonest by the manufacturer to list these as 12V packs. Their nominal voltage is 11.1VDC.
The Eclair motor needs a bare minimum of 11V to run at accurate speed. Get a 12V NiCd or NiMH pack instead. At least 5Ah. This is assuming your camera is clean and properly maintained. If however your camera is gummed up, it will take a lot more power to advance the film.

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#4 Luca Rocchini

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Posted 23 December 2015 - 06:25 PM

Thanks a million, I will look into your suggestions!

The camera should be fine as been revisited 2 years ago and used only a couple of times.


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#5 Luca Rocchini

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Posted 24 December 2015 - 01:11 PM

So I guess one of these should work for my case?

 

Super Power DC 12V Portable 6800mAh Li-ion Rechargeable Battery Pack Tool CCTV | eBay

 

Multi-use DC12V 15000mAh Super Rechargeable Portable Lithium-ion Battery Pack | eBay

 

12V DC Rechargeable Li-ion Battery Pack for CCTV Camera: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics


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#6 Jean-Louis Seguin

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Posted 24 December 2015 - 02:37 PM

No Luca. I'm afraid you misunderstood.

 

You should avoid Li-Ion batteries altogether for these older cine cameras. Get a NiMH pack instead.

 

If it was a more modern camera that is built to take higher input voltage, only then would I suggest a 14.8V Li-Ion battery pack.

 

I would not take a chance to feed 14.8V into a camera with older electronics like the ACL.

 

You can also use a 12V Sealed Lead Acid battery which is cheaper but quite heavy.

 

Or if you just want to tests you can kook up two of these 6V batteries:

 

http://www.amazon.it...tteria alcalina

 

Jean-Louis


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#7 Luca Rocchini

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 02:18 PM

Ok thanks Jean-Louis, so I guess something like this should do the job, right?

 

12V 5000mAh SC NiMH COMPACT rechargeable battery pack | eBay


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#8 Gregg MacPherson

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 03:21 PM

Before the thread disappears, maybe ask Jean-Louis for some ideas on the right charger. If your existing system is NiCd, the charger may not be good for the NiMH.
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#9 Luca Rocchini

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 03:30 PM

Yes sure Gregg I will buy the appropriate charger.


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#10 Jean-Louis Seguin

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 04:33 PM

Yes that battery is good. I assume the seller must also have compatible chargers.
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#11 Jean-Louis Seguin

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 04:59 PM

From the same seller:
eBay 231757560127
Will work fine.
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#12 Gregg MacPherson

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 05:43 PM

Thanks Jean-Louis,  I'm taking notes on NiMH, to upgrade some batteries soon.

On the max voltage for late ACL,  late motor,  Andrew at AZSpectrum gave me some ideas on that a while ago,  but I didn't find the email when I looked.


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#13 Jean-Louis Seguin

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 06:21 PM

Andrew will certainly know the maximum voltage the ACL II can take. I'm always cautious on older equipment and prefer to stay safe.
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#14 Gregg MacPherson

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 06:29 PM

I found Andrew's email. He was replying to questions re my problem getting 75fps. ACLII, latest motor. I'll paste it here, but anyone using these ideas please assume responsibility yourself.

Andrew:
We recommend running the motor with a 4Ah or higher capacity battery and a cable no longer than 1.5m. If the camera battery is weak, then with the motor running at 75fps thebattery is discharged rapidly, with the current about 4-5A (depends on the magazine loads). If the cable is too long or has a small gauge, then at 75fps possibly a few volts can be lost on the cable, causing a loss of motor speed. To run the camera at 75fps you have to use a 12V up to 15.6V Nickel Cadmium or Nickel-Metal Hydride battery at least 4Ah strong ; 15.6V battery works better then 12V at speed 75fps, 30% lower current and less heat. The source of your problem with high speeds might be due to the fact that your battery quickly dropped voltage once the current exceeded 4A, as well as the increased current had been generated by friction in the bearings increased by temperature.

The proper current for the 74fps motor just with the camera body (no magazine) with 12V battery is:
24fps - 0.8A
50fps - 1.8A
75fps - 2.7A

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#15 Gregg MacPherson

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 06:45 PM

Wasn't trying to contradict your advice Jean-Louis. I'm for caution too.

Cheers,
Gregg
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#16 Jean-Louis Seguin

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 08:05 PM

Oh, don't worry about that. I'm happy that Andrew was able to confirm that the motor can safely take a higher voltage. Your best bet would a 13.2V pack (11 NiMH cells). At full charge without load, it'll be 15.4V, just under the max of 15.6V.
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#17 Luca Rocchini

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Posted 03 January 2016 - 03:25 PM

So finally, I guess this should work:

 

Pack NIMH 13.2V 4Ah PL SL2151 AO F - MGH00210 | Allbatteries.co.uk

 

But probably I go for this (cheaper and I have the same charger), hope the higher Ah is not a problem:

 

NiMH Battery Pack: 13.2V 5Ah (66wh, Hump) with Trail-Tech female plug

 

Thanks Gregg and Jean


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#18 Jean-Louis Seguin

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Posted 03 January 2016 - 07:48 PM

I order packs from batteryspace regularly and I am satisfied with their quality.
Charger should work fine.
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#19 Gregg MacPherson

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Posted 04 January 2016 - 12:00 AM

Is the Battery Space pack on that page C size? So it will be heavier than sub-C?

ACL II is already heavy.  If the batts are going on board I would be careful about weight.  Also,  get the weight as far to the rear as you can.  I designed,  but didn't yet build,  a 19mm rod system that allowed handles for hand holding. Instead of using the 19mm rods for box etc,  one had handles,  and a 15mm LWR system for the rest.  The 19mm rods go rearwards,  so one can fix a battery well back to improve ballance.  When needed,  the 19mm base is used for the heavy lens,  tripod,  big follow focus etc.


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#20 Luca Rocchini

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Posted 04 January 2016 - 03:12 PM

Yes C Batteries, It should weight around 750 grams, so not too heavy. I will probably put in a small handbag and be on my body instead of being on the camera.

 

Hopefully they ship to Europe, tho!


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