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#1 Macks Fiiod

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 03:19 PM

Have 1 or 2 in my "to buy" list but I was wondering if any other tungstens compete with these lights at a cheaper price?

Most probable use is either commercial shoots or small scale cinema sets.

 

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#2 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 03:20 PM

might be able to find some used Moles or Arri on e bay.


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#3 Peter Daffarn

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 03:44 PM

Sales Pitch Alert - We manufacture the products I am going to recommend below

 

Please check out our web site and in particular this page - http://www.photonbeard.com/frensel.html 

As we probably were the last manufacturer to make a new range of tungsten heads we were able to use the most modern techniques so for example the bodies are all made from laser cut aluminium which means they are lighter than most whilst still being strong.  Similarly we used the best reflector material we could find so the light output is higher than our competitors.

 

We also have open face options (Redheads and Blondes) which are available as single heads or in kits with stands.

 

In the US please contact :

 

Pete Challinger

PM Tech - US Operations for Photon Beard

4096 Rowles Rd

Vina, CA, 96092

T: (+1) 530-267-0822

M: (+1) 530-200-0295

LA (+1) 818-237-4257

Contact e-mail: petec@photonbeard.com

Contact e-mail: petec@pmtech.com

Website: http://pmtech.com

Webshop https://pmtech.myshopify.com/

 

 

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#4 Quinton Weiskittel

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 06:08 PM

http://www.dvxuser.c...ri-650-Kit-1600


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#5 Macks Fiiod

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 06:22 PM

Only have the money for 1 650 as of right now. If you'd be willing to just part with one we could talk something out.


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#6 Bill DiPietra

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 06:44 PM

This topic comes up at least twice a month.  The bottom line is that the brand name lights and the "cheaper alternatives" both have drawbacks.  With brand name lights, you ultimately get a better product.  The drawback is the cost but if you take care them, they last.  I bought my first ARRI 650w about 15 years ago and I've never had a single issue with it.

 

Although I don't have direct experience with the knock-off fresnels, I've heard all sorts of safety horror stories.  So I just think it makes more sense to spend money for something that is going to last and perform properly, rather than skimp on the cost only to wind up with something that may or may not work very well or long.


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#7 JD Hartman

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 07:10 PM

If you buy far east ARRI counterfeits, at the very least you can expect to have to re-wire them.

 

 

If you'd consider a different USA make, I have two B&M 650's I'd consider letting go.  Complete, barndoors, scrims, working globes plus one new globe.


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Posted 19 January 2016 - 08:35 AM

I picked up an LTM pepper 650 for $40 the other day on Ebay.

 

Someone recently said the LTM's are about 1/2 stop dimmer than the Arri's, and concluded that it came down to lens design.

I've measured real Arri's 300 and 650 and I can't find them to be any "better" than an LTM.

I have not experienced the As-Arri but I'm sure they're fine once some standards are built into them.

 

 

Picked up a crazy 1K from Italy that I'll have to gut and rebuild as no one can figure out what kind of socket is broken inside it - however it was $30!


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Posted 19 January 2016 - 08:43 AM

 

Picked up a crazy 1K from Italy that I'll have to gut and rebuild as no one can figure out what kind of socket is broken inside it - however it was $30!

 

 

Is it a QuartzColour? What can you tell us about it?


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Posted 19 January 2016 - 08:50 AM

 

 

Is it a QuartzColour? What can you tell us about it?

Freya,

 

It IS a QuartzColour!

Polaris Quartzcolor 260 Model

 

The problem with this one is the ceramic has cracked, as I understand is common for that model, but I can't find a replacement.

It also came with a g12 base to convert, but that means disassembling the entire lamp and drilling into aluminum...


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#11 Freya Black

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 09:36 AM

Hiya Jay,

 

QuartzColour was bought out by Strand here in the UK and QuartzColour lights were very common in the TV industry here in thee UK. So it's kind of not as obscure as you think. :)

 

Here is a link to some data:

 

http://www.theatrecr.../q_polaris.html

 

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 09:44 AM

I think the socket is maybe a G22.

Sadly it's very expensive.

Does this look right:

 

http://www.ebay.co.u...osAAOSwMTZWRk2o

 

If it is a G22 maybe knowing what it is will help you to find one cheaper.

 

Freya


Edited by Freya Black, 19 January 2016 - 09:45 AM.

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#13 Peter Daffarn

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 09:49 AM

If anyone is interested I do have some used Quartzcolor 2kW P/O fresnels for sale in very condition for used.

They can be found here - https://projectsdepa...cts/2kw-castor/

The photo is one that is actually for sale and the other 4 are in similar condition.

 

Peter


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#14 Freya Black

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 09:56 AM

Looks like there are other names for it than G22 too:

 

http://www.ebay.co.u...2EAAOSw~bFWGYyY

 

Not sure if that listing is cheaper!

 

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#15 Freya Black

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 10:01 AM

If anyone is interested I do have some used Quartzcolor 2kW P/O fresnels for sale in very condition for used.

They can be found here - https://projectsdepa...cts/2kw-castor/

The photo is one that is actually for sale and the other 4 are in similar condition.

 

Peter

 

 

See it's not just me. High quality movie lights from Italy = QuartzColour! :)

 

Freya


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#16 Peter Daffarn

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 10:06 AM

Freya - as an ex Strand employee who has sold and installed Quartzcolor all over the world I would agree to a large extent that they were very good products.

Although the HMI range was never quite as good as it should have been.....

 

Quartzcolor is still around and is now owned by Cosmolight.

I have limited experience of the current range but it is mostly LED now.

 

Peter


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#17 Jay Young

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 10:10 AM

Unfortunately, the G22 base is not an option at the moment (more drilling).

 

The fixture contains a bi-pin ceramic socket, held together with a bolt and wingnut.  One of the ceramic pieces has cracked but up till now no one has any clue about this particular socket.

Shown below with broken ceramic removed from the top.

 

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#18 Peter Daffarn

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 10:19 AM

Jay,

 

Have you tried contacting these people - http://www.planetbulb.com/lampholders/

 

Peter


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Posted 19 January 2016 - 10:34 AM

Does the lamp look like this:

 

http://www.ebay.co.u...ucAAOSwYIhWi~66

 

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#20 Jay Young

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 10:38 AM

Does the lamp look like this:

 

http://www.ebay.co.u...ucAAOSwYIhWi~66

 

Freya

 

Yes,

 

I believe that lamp would fit.  And I can replace the lampholder, but that again requires disassembly... unless I can find a tiny drill HA!


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