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#1 David Edward Keen

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Posted 24 May 2016 - 07:55 PM

Is tenebrism just the extreme of Chiaroscuro, the falling off quickly to black?
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#2 Stuart Brereton

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Posted 24 May 2016 - 08:35 PM

Let me Google that for you.

 

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tenebrism


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#3 Gregg MacPherson

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Posted 24 May 2016 - 09:38 PM

Such a short question may deserve a short answer.  No.  At least that's my thoght.

 

If chiaroscuro is the gradation of light and dark that may reveal form,  or express character,  then it exists within the other thing.

 

What was your position,  your thought?  Why begin this thread without expressing some ideas of your own?


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#4 David Edward Keen

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Posted 25 May 2016 - 05:43 AM

Because im learning about both. The beginning of understanding the two terms doesnt seem the place for having a position, if thats what u meant. I heard Coppola referring in an interview to scenes in the Godfather as Chiaroscuro. Then in Caravaggio lighting which seemed to have pure black with no detail as tenebroso, so i was wondering what experienced cinematographers might say.
If i'm missing some etiquette forgive me. I know people mostly talk about specific technical situations here.
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#5 David Edward Keen

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Posted 25 May 2016 - 06:53 AM

ah, yes Stuart Brereton: as on google "...is a style of painting using very pronounced chiaroscuro" thanks.  


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#6 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 25 May 2016 - 09:56 AM

This is the first time I really heard of the term "tenebroso", so it is not commonly used in cinematography, but the definition online basically describes it as a more extreme form of chiaroscuro so one could use the term chiaroscuro to describe Caravaggio (or Storaro).  I'm more likely to hear the phrase "heavy chiaroscuro" than I am "tenebroso" to describe a strong form of chiaroscuro.


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#7 John E Clark

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Posted 25 May 2016 - 11:47 AM

Is tenebrism just the extreme of Chiaroscuro, the falling off quickly to black?

 

I've rarely heard the term. But because I was an art major back in the olden days, I'm familiar with it... but in most non artschool circles you will just hear 'chiaroscuro', or even 'Rembrandt lighting', or something like that.

 

The google'd reference lists such 16-17th Century Italian painters as Caravaggio and Artemisia Gentileschi as examples. The italian word itself means 'dark'... so one could rightly think of 'noir'... a much more well known style in film.

 

Here is a painting by Artemesia. One will note the dark background super contrasted with the foreground elements to create a dramatic image. There is detail in the background, but this particular online image doesn't really show it...

 

 

jael-sisera.jpg


Edited by John E Clark, 25 May 2016 - 11:48 AM.

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#8 David Edward Keen

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Posted 25 May 2016 - 02:18 PM

That Artemesia is fantastic.  yeah thats cool. Thanks all for the info!


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#9 David Edward Keen

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Posted 25 May 2016 - 02:20 PM

oh yeah you can see the column in the back


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