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#41 Gregory Irwin

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 11:06 AM

We tested the DXL extensively for GODZILLA 2017. We didnt care for the RED sensor for the same reasons we dont like the RED cameras. We opted for the Alexa 65 and were very satisfied with the results.

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#42 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 12:07 PM

reasons we dont like the RED cameras

 

I'm sure I'm not the only person who would be interested to hear your comments on that!


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#43 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 12:30 PM

When I was finishing "The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel" in NYC in early September, my operator was about to start a pilot shoot with a DXL.


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#44 Dom Jaeger

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 06:00 PM

Some productions listed here:
http://www.panavisio...-millennium-dxl
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#45 Keith Walters

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 08:27 PM

Roll crickets.....


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#46 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 08:45 PM

What do you mean? That link that Dom gave you listed three features plus a pilot.


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#47 Keith Walters

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 10:53 PM

In 18 months....?


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#48 Samuel Berger

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 11:12 PM

In 18 months....?

 

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#49 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 11:38 PM

There hasn't been a full inventory of DXL's completely finished for 18 months.  I think it's been 18 months since they introduced it as a prototype with some test footage at Cinegear, then 12 months ago they were showing off the new color science to go with the camera, or maybe it was only 9 months ago.  A few features, pilots, and commercials so far seem to me to be right, especially for a somewhat specialized camera -- shooting features on full-frame 35mm sensor cameras is a fairly new thing.

 

Plus the truth is that a lot of people are very happy with the quality and look from the regular Alexa cameras, so there isn't a lot of incentive to switch unless you are required to shoot with a +4K camera.

 

You made similar posts about the Genesis camera when it came out.


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#50 Keith Walters

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 12:17 AM

 

You made similar posts about the Genesis camera when it came out.

 

:blink:  When was that? I don't recall making any posts about the Genesis when it came out.

Was this forum even running then?

 

 

"Plus the truth is that a lot of people are very happy with the quality and look from the regular Alexa cameras, so there isn't a lot of incentive to switch unless you are required to shoot with a +4K camera."

​Just so, and apart from which, if you desperately have to have a Red camera, Panavision will quite happily rent you one, or an Alexa for that matter.  Plus Arri have had 4K prototypes for a long time, but they checked out the market first before going at it like a bull at a gate.

​This is just another white effluent from a company that hasn't made an operating profit in nearly 5 decades.

 


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#51 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 02:32 AM

Sorry, I was confusing you with Jim Murdoch, who used to be the resident anti-Panavision poster and was also based in Australia.


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#52 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 02:36 AM

The current forum software started running in 2003 but I was posting here before that, maybe starting in 2001, maybe even as far back as 1999 -- I seem to recall writing a journal here while I was shooting "Jackpot" on the F900 in 2000, but certainly did while shooting "Northfork" in 2002.


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#53 Keith Walters

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 04:23 AM

 Jim Murdoch, who used to be the resident anti-Panavision poster and was also based in Australia.

Is that right? I could show you several emails that prove otherwise. 

(There are certain people who I imagine would rather desperately hope  you'll drop that particular subject, but carry on  :rolleyes:)
And I actually did find the original posts here about the Genesis and worked through the first couple of pages of thread titles. I have yet to a single post by him thus far. 


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#54 Keith Walters

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 04:27 AM

 

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Di che cazzo stai parlando?


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#55 Dom Jaeger

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 07:32 AM

This is just another white effluent from a company that hasn't made an operating profit in nearly 5 decades.

 

 

And your point is..?

 

Panavision have supplied camera and lens packages for many of the greatest movies of all time. They have weathered the digital revolution and are still producing new lenses and cameras to add to the filmmakers toolbox. Why trash them for some perceived lack of financial success? 

 

As David mentioned, the DXL is a specialised camera for a format that is still relatively rare for most feature films, and it's really only been less than a year since it's been properly available. How many features were shot on the Alexa 65 in its first year? Do cinematographers want other options or should everything just be shot on Arri cameras?

 

I don't know exactly when that Panavision article that I linked to was released, but the films mentioned were all filming before October 2017, so there may well be more examples since then. It's also worth remembering that there are now several options for larger format cinematography, so there's a smaller piece of a rather marginal pie to go around, but more choice can only be a good thing for the filmmakers wanting to take that route.

 

One of the main reasons Panavision developed this camera was as a vehicle for their Primo 70 lenses, which from personal experience checking them for Aquaman, mostly shot here in Australia, are exceptionally well-designed large format lenses. In that particular feature they were used with Arri Alexas in Open Gate, but they were designed with the DXL in mind. Panavision have always been primarily a lens company, but they have also always made cameras on which to mount them. 


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#56 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 12:26 PM

 

And I actually did find the original posts here about the Genesis and worked through the first couple of pages of thread titles. I have yet to a single post by him thus far. 

 

http://www.cinematog...showtopic=14532

 

But I don't feel the need to continue discussing Jim Murdoch -- and I admit that I may be misremembering him as being from Australia.  Most of those forum posts pre-2003 (when Jim was complaining about the Panavised F900) don't exist anymore.  


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Posted 03 January 2018 - 01:25 PM

I’ve used it on a couple of commercials already. Both times with Sphero 65 lenses.
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Posted 03 January 2018 - 01:33 PM

Di che cazzo stai parlando?

 

I now expect to find posts where you say you can't get a usable image from a Panavision.


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#59 Keith Walters

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 07:16 PM

 Why trash them for some perceived lack of financial success? 

 

Aha! You've hit the nail on the head! As it happens, there is actually a VERY good reason, which will become more apparent over the next few months. 

"Perceived lack"? Hmmm This must be some new useage of the words "perceived" and "lack" I haven't encountered before...
http://www.doddlenew...r-unpaid-loans/
 

 "Panavision have always been primarily a lens company, but they have also always made cameras on which to mount them."
You mean the film cameras that run so quiet you have to take the lens out to hear if the movement is actually running?  Those lens mounts...?
For a long time Panavision made the best lenses and film cameras in the world. And I mean they **made** them.
On the other hand, Panavision have never made a digital cinematography camera, they've simply been mechanically modified cameras bought from other companies. The difference is, if you wanted to use a Panavision film camera you had to rent it from Panavision; there was no other option. However if you desperately wanted the images from an F900 or a Genesis, you could get the same thing from Sony.  
 


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Posted 03 January 2018 - 07:35 PM

Aha! You've hit the nail on the head! As it happens, there is actually a VERY good reason, which will become more apparent over the next few months. 

"Perceived lack"? Hmmm This must be some new useage of the words "perceived" and "lack" I haven't encountered before...
http://www.doddlenew...r-unpaid-loans/
 

 "Panavision have always been primarily a lens company, but they have also always made cameras on which to mount them."
You mean the film cameras that run so quiet you have to take the lens out to hear if the movement is actually running?  Those lens mounts...?
For a long time Panavision made the best lenses and film cameras in the world. And I mean they **made** them.
On the other hand, Panavision have never made a digital cinematography camera, they've simply been mechanically modified cameras bought from other companies. The difference is, if you wanted to use a Panavision film camera you had to rent it from Panavision; there was no other option. However if you desperately wanted the images from an F900 or a Genesis, you could get the same thing from Sony.  
 

 

making a lens mount is relatively easy and a good machinist can make you one from scratch in no time. 

even your average Chinese eBay seller can make a user installable PV mount to a digital camera (or I could make one by myself in the garage if having slightly better milling machine, a suitable lathe I already have  ;)  )

 

Making a film camera movement + the rest of the camera is completely different matter, as well as making a movie lens from scratch, even if some of the elements are pre made by other companies. Making cameras and lenses = cool stuff , modifying lens mounts = meh  :lol:

 

that said, I can't see much reason on renting a digital camera from Panavision unless there is a very good package deal with their own lenses and stuff or the camera is very specially custom modified one, like the DXL seems to be. 

maybe it is more reliable than your average RED stuff? that would be a good selling point, especially if the cooling system works correctly and is silent enough :lol:


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