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#1 connor denning

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Posted 05 June 2016 - 10:30 PM

I have a Pentax k-01, I'm thinking about upgrading it. It was nice to mess around on. but I'm Disappointed in the 28 Mbit/s ( fairly sure it's not all intra), as well as the low light performance of it, at iso 800 it's not horrible but not all that great for the price. I find that likely because of compression, The sharpness color reproduction, is way off. For those who Oh he just doesn't know how to set the picture profile, I do And I have  experimented with flat and standard profiles at sharpening off, medium, and high, And Yes I focused properly, I've taken plenty of photos that came out just fine.

 

 

I've been thinking about getting either an eos m, t2i-t5i, gh1-gh3, maybe a sony I haven't looked into sony's low-end stuff, or any better ideas if anyone has  I know that for what I want an a7s mark 2 would be best, but it's a bit out of my price range a lot actually. I like the idea of magic lantern higher bit rates, 14 bit raw (at less than 1080p, but wouldn't it still beat 1080 compressed?). I like to know in practice how useable magic lantern is, does it corrupt files on a regular basis, did cannon disable it with firmware updates that can't be undone? Can it do something like 16fps video at longer exposure times than it would at 24p with magic lantern?

 

What I'm looking for in a camera with has the best for the price of under 500-600 US preferably with lens. It should work well in low light, be able to shoot at low frame rates (Not talking about time-lapse) like 14-18ish fps assuming it allows longer exposure times, like some if not most cameras only go up to 1/30sec both for 30 and 24. I want clarity, sharpness, and the ability to grade/recompress without the video quality falling apart. Also being able to cheaply or at all, being able to buy a focal reducer that gets most of the coverage of full frame lenses or if there's a camera with good video in my price range that has a full frame that would be great, I don't want to buy more than one or two lenes meant for a crop sensor case if I end up doing this long enough I'm going to get a full frame. Also I have a helios 44m-4 on my Pentax, every time I focus it during video change the aperture or hold the side of the lens it stops recording because it inruptes the contact with the lens and theres no way to have the camera ignore all incoming connections with a lens, only partial fix is to put a piece of tinfoil in between the lens and body.  Have in mind I did many hours of research on most of these cameras, I'm asking the stuff I either couldn't find or found inconsistent results on, like some say magic lantern crashes and corrupts all my footage, and some say it works great used it for 2 years haven't had issues.

 

thanks for the help.


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#2 Jan Tore Soerensen

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Posted 05 June 2016 - 10:53 PM

For that price, it doesn't really get much better than the 5dmk2 or 7d. They both produce good images. Slightly soft, but still good images. You can shoot any framerate up to 25p with Magic Lantern, and I never had any problems with that as long as I shot on DSLRs. Also, lens availability is great, and they can handle a lot of abuse.

 

An alternative can be BMPCC or GH3, as you mentioned. These are all 1080p cameras with decent image quality for the price. With a good story, these cameras are not going to be the deciding factor if the movie is good or not.


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Posted 05 June 2016 - 11:00 PM

Yeah I'd say BMPCC is your best bet. The 5D mark 2 is still like a grand on eBay I think.


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Posted 06 June 2016 - 02:12 PM

Yeah I'd say BMPCC is your best bet. The 5D mark 2 is still like a grand on eBay I think.

So is the black magic pocket cinema camera.


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Posted 06 June 2016 - 03:05 PM

So is the black magic pocket cinema camera.

Yeah. Great beginner camera.


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#6 connor denning

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Posted 06 June 2016 - 03:41 PM

Yeah. Great beginner camera.

I meant it 1000 US too.

 

Plus I don't know if it has been fixed, but it used to have issues with reliability. Right now I'm willing to spend that much on full setup, including tripod, lenses follow focus, Mic.I already have some lenses, a Mic, video tripod, though I need at least two wider angle lenses 24mm at least pulse one lens with auto focus for steady cam shots, or if I need some one else to operate the camera who is not trained, Like If I'm in the shot. And I'd like a cage and I'll likely make a mattebox.


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Posted 06 June 2016 - 03:43 PM

I should have made this clear but I want answers primary from people who have shot on the cameras I'm talking about or if you're recommending a camera I'd like to know what little issues, quirks, and what kind of stuff you shot with it.


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Posted 06 June 2016 - 04:10 PM

I meant it 1000 US too.

Check eBay more, you can pull a nice used deal for around $600.


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Posted 06 June 2016 - 04:12 PM

With your price range you need to look for used cameras to get into the BMPCC or 5D market.  But as long as they were taken care of they should be fine.

 

BMPCCs have a couple faults that can happen, mainly with the crappy hdmi port dying or being damaged no matter how careful you are, but its rare and Black Magic can fix with an RMA pretty cheaply if it does happen.  Right now is probably a great time to buy a used BMPCC with the BMMCC's coming out (which are good cameras in their own right at the exact same price point, but require more rig to run right).  

 

The thing BMPCC does not do that you want is shoot sub 24fps except in timelapse mode.  (unless something changed in firmware I dont know about). 

 

5DMKII is a work horse of a camera, and magic lantern still works and will continue to work on them.  These days Magic Lantern is much more stable and reliable.  I would never ever bring it to a professional shoot due to some quirkiness but if you are just shooting for yourself then you can get away with it as long as you don't mind an occasional restart etc.  Havnt heard of it corrupting files in a very long time as long as you are using the stable version and not a beta.

 

Your question of 720 raw vs 1080 compressed, 1080 would still win out even not being shot raw, thats a lot of resolution to throw away to have more data per pixel.  


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Posted 06 June 2016 - 07:07 PM

I'm thinking more t5i, or eos m. as I said I'm wiling to spend 1000 no more and that's including rig plus lenses. so black magic and 5d mark 2, are out of the question unless I can get it for 500. is there a full frame for that much that holds up today, I don't want a 5d mark 1.


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Posted 06 June 2016 - 07:56 PM

I really recommend looking into the 60D, as I'm sure that by now you could get a good deal on one if you look on Ebay. I've had mine for 5 years, and I still get really good use out of it.


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#12 Shawn Sagady

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Posted 06 June 2016 - 08:01 PM

As said you can find 5Ds and BMPCC around that price used, you have to look for them though they arnt always there.  Also no, you are not going to find a full frame sensor camera for that price outside of the 5D.  


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#13 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 06 June 2016 - 08:04 PM

If you're not happy with the quality of the new $1800 full-frame Pentax K1, I'm not sure you're going to be happy with the other still cameras in the $500-600 price range.


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Posted 06 June 2016 - 08:31 PM

If you're not happy with the quality of the new $1800 full-frame Pentax K1, I'm not sure you're going to be happy with the other still cameras in the $500-600 price range.

k-01 is not the same camera as that I would likely be happy with k1 though. this is what i have.

https://en.wikipedia...iki/Pentax_K-01


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Posted 06 June 2016 - 08:48 PM

Oh, OK...

 

Well here is a year-old article, maybe some of these have fallen into your price range:

http://www.premiumbe...ras-under-1000/

 

In terms of specs, you can find out online what the data rate is for the video recording for each model.


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Posted 06 June 2016 - 10:21 PM

what is the bitrate for the t5i, 60d? all intra? I can't find an answer to that.


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Posted 06 June 2016 - 10:24 PM

ALL of the DSLR's are Long GOP MPEG 8 bit 4:2:0, generally varying from 35 - 50Mbps depending on software and age. Nobody has bothered making an intraframe codec based DSLR yet.

If you're OK with a 1080p camera, the Blackmagic Pocket is 10 bit 4:2:2 220Mbps Pro Res or 12 bit 444 Cinema DNG for around $800 used. So basically two of the best codec's in a camera that's smaller, lighter and more cinematic then the Pentax.
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Posted 06 June 2016 - 11:04 PM

On another note witch camera handles raw best? 60d, t4i, t5i?


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Posted 06 June 2016 - 11:12 PM

I'd love to have a black majic, red, arri expesshilly arri. But I'm only willing to spend a 1000 US price including tripod -75, mic -60, lenes -200, audio recorder - 100 that makes 435 so 565 left. so I don't have 800 to spend.


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#20 Tyler Purcell

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Posted 06 June 2016 - 11:35 PM

On another note witch camera handles raw best? 60d, t4i, t5i?


It doesn't really matter since it's 720p, all the cameras can handle it. I messed around with magic lantern on the 5DMKII and wasn't very satisfied.
 

I'd love to have a black majic, red, arri expesshilly arri. But I'm only willing to spend a 1000 US price including tripod -75, mic -60, lenes -200, audio recorder - 100 that makes 435 so 565 left. so I don't have 800 to spend.


Well, a $75 tripod and $60 lens, aren't going to be any good. So you're clearly not looking for quality.

Why do you care if the camera records RAW or any higher bit rate, if the glass making your image is substandard? I mean, what's the point?
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