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#1 Brenton Lee

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Posted 08 October 2016 - 06:19 AM

I'm gearing up to film my first short (15 mins) on 16mm and am going to shoot some tests to make sure the camera / locations / lighting etc all work well. So I figure this is also a great time to test the sound aspect too. 

 

However, I've never recorded sound for use in film, only digital where it basically syncs itself in post production. I always have a 2nd AC for slating so that makes it easy.

 

I'm going to use a Zoom H6 / Rode NTG for these tests and need to know if there's any particular settings I should have things set to? Anything I need to look for? I probably won't hire a sound guy for the tests as it's more about checking everything syncs well than the actual quality.

 

Frame rates / data rates etc?


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#2 Macks Fiiod

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Posted 08 October 2016 - 07:35 AM

I would suggest switching your boom mic to something by Sennheiser to do your visual film efforts more justice. Are you just shooting 24?


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#3 Peter Gilabert

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Posted 08 October 2016 - 09:35 AM

Sounds like you've been syncing your H6 to whatever sound your digital camera captured up to this point.
Use a slate and make sure it's legible and also say what take it is.
I always record on "stereo" w/ my H4n.
It'll be easier if your camera records crystal but if it's just a "wild" motor wind up like a k3, Scoopic, etc. , I'd think you can finagle the sync later as long as you don't have a bunch of extended monologues dialog-wise.
If your camera is loud (Non crystal-sync) you're gonna have to put a heavy jacket or something around that sucker to shut him up. Experiment with zooming and distances, it can be done; welcome to the pain in the ass world of vintage!
Try to test a lav mic if you can too. Do those tests and if you stay organized with your takes you should be OK.
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#4 Peter Gilabert

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Posted 08 October 2016 - 10:32 AM

Oops I see you have an SR3 in the post title!
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#5 Tyler Purcell

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Posted 08 October 2016 - 02:22 PM

I don't think the H6 can do framerates, I think it's "beats" and real-time only.

So yea, just hit the record button and you're good to go. This isn't the old days with non-crystal analog equipment that can easily shift out of sync.
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#6 Simon Wyss

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Posted 09 October 2016 - 03:51 AM

Brenton, will you record sound on tape? If you employ crystal controls, it’ll be 24 frames and 15 inches per second or 7½.

25 frames are equal to 7½ inches, 25 times 0.3". There were/are recorders for perforated magnetic film. Portable. Well, to some extent.


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#7 Brenton Lee

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Posted 09 October 2016 - 05:58 AM

No sound on tape, just the sound from the portable digital recorder.

 

Thanks for the advice everybody. When the test footage comes back I'll let every scrutinise it haha.


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