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ORWO UN 74 Plus vs Kodak Double X 7222: opinions?


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#1 Dmitry Savinov_38080

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Posted 23 January 2017 - 03:04 PM

Hi everyone,
Prepairing an "arthouse" feature and we,the director and the DP settled that the best way to realize the story is to shoot it on S16 b/w film and than scan 2K and make a DI.
We believe that ORWO UN74 will be the best option for its price lower than 7222 has and for its speed (400 ASA instead of Kodak's 200 ASA.with standart developing time,of cause)
Unfortunatly there is no film stock of ORWO neither Kodak at the current time in our country so we are waiting for ordered cans for shooting tests and it will take a lot of time(
Maybe some of you guys have made a few tests of the stocks for feature projects or even shot a feature for theatrical realease? Not 35 but S16? What could you tell about it? Is ORWO a good option?
Thanx a lot
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Posted 23 January 2017 - 04:08 PM

We have just finished up doing a large amount of S-16mm Orwo with a 4K scan for a client who is very happy with the results, allot of it is UN-74 with a Push +1 it is a very nice looking film stock.


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Posted 23 January 2017 - 04:44 PM

Thank you Robert!

and is it really necessary to make a 4K scan for S16? I mean you get more film grain and structure without dramatically improved quality, isn't it?

and you've pushed it to 800 ASA partly so maybe you've got some stills to look at? it will be nice)


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Posted 23 January 2017 - 05:24 PM

We do what our customers request ;-)

 

In this case it was a Push +1 and a 4K scan.

 

I can't release customer files, I do have a UN-74 reel I shot and I can do a 2K scan of it as a format and scan demo.


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Posted 23 January 2017 - 05:42 PM

This would be very nice and useful not for me only but for everyone who wants to try this workflow I hope!
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Posted 23 January 2017 - 07:53 PM

I will try to bring the UN-74 from a music project I shot in tomorrow and put it on the Scan Station.


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Posted 24 January 2017 - 02:06 AM

You have UN 54 and N 74. Correct designation prevents confusion. Just saying


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Posted 24 January 2017 - 02:09 AM

Sorry guys,correcting
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Posted 24 January 2017 - 02:32 AM

Can not correct the previous posts so writing here 

U 74,not UN !

thank you Symon

 

 UN as Universal Negative is for 54 for its ability to serve as a reversal film also


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Posted 24 January 2017 - 12:43 PM

I forgot I had this on Vimeo:

 

 

I think you can download the original 2K h264 from Vimeo and I will try to see about finding the ProRes444 file or do a rescan when I can dig the negative out of my film.


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Posted 24 January 2017 - 12:49 PM

yeah thanks!

it would be better to look at 2K scan and maybe download it to figure out does it fit for DCP purposes for sure!


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Posted 24 January 2017 - 12:51 PM

I mean the scan itself as a DPX/TIFF sequence


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Posted 24 January 2017 - 06:08 PM

 

 

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Edited by Chris Burke, 24 January 2017 - 06:09 PM.

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Posted 24 January 2017 - 06:12 PM

And this is Kodak 7222

 


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Posted 25 January 2017 - 04:48 AM

Yeah I know 5222/7222 pretty well.it seems much more low contrast and clean in terms of pure white but it's twice higher price and this is critical for the current project....
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Posted 25 January 2017 - 06:39 AM

Thanx Cris!
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