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#1 Patrick Cooper

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Posted 30 March 2017 - 12:51 AM

Ive been using Sony Movie Studio for a while now for my video editing. It's quite a versatile program overall and covers most of my requirements. However, it does have one major flaw and that is a lack of a serious 1080 progressive export option. SMS does have a 1080p option but it renders the finished video at a shockingly low bitrate. So even though most of my videos are shot in 1080p, I'm forced to render them as 1080i after editing. Just wondering if Adobe Premiere Elements can export videos at 1080p with a decent bitrate?


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Posted 30 March 2017 - 11:56 AM

I'm pretty sure Vegas can render up to uncompressed 4K if one knows how to set up the options, which preset are you using? I use vegas pro and not movie studio, could you screenshot your render options?


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Posted 30 March 2017 - 09:51 PM

To be honest, I'm not quite sure how to execute a screenshot but I can provide the details of some of the presets on offer on my copy of Sony Movie Studio Platinum 12. I usually use Main Concept (HDV) and the options here are 720 25p, 720 30p, 1080 24p, 1080 50i and 1080 60i. Within the Windows Media Video V11 presets, there is a 1080 25p option as well as 1080 30p. And the heading lists 25 Mbps as the bitrate which sounds quite respectable. However, when you go to Customise Template to view the finer details, it says that the bitrate is 7 Mbps.

 

I'm specifically after a 1080 25p export option with a decent bitrate.

 

By the way, in the past, Ive tried using Customise Template to change some of the Main Concept HDV presets to 1080 25p but I get an error message when I try to render the video. Ive pretty much come to the conclusion that if I want to render 1080 25p videos with a good bitrate, Sony Movie Studio is not up to the task. So I'm looking at other alternatives like Adobe Premiere Elements. 


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Posted 30 March 2017 - 10:42 PM

See if you have the Sony AVC category, open one up, set it around to 1920x1080 25p, set the bitrate to 15,000,000 per second and give it a test render. It should output Mp4 container.


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#5 Patrick Cooper

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 02:54 AM

Ah yes I do see Sony AVC and there are a few presets within this category like Memory Stick, AVCHD and Bluray. I'll have a go at changing one of the AVCHD options - the 1080 50i preset. Though in Customise Template, I'm not sure how I can convert it to progressive. In the top field where it says '50i' under 'Template', I guess I could change that to 25p but that might just change the heading (I'm not sure if it would actually change the parameters of the rendered file itself.)


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Posted 31 March 2017 - 03:30 AM

Try this, yes you can change the parameters and it will conform:

 

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 04:32 AM

Oh darn, I can't find the 'Internet' preset within the Sony AVC category. There is an Internet option in the Main Concept AVC / AAC category. It's 29.970 fps but looks like it can be easily changed to 25 fps. It lists a variable bit rate where the maximum (bps) is 24,000,000 and the minimum (bps) is 12,000,000. Maybe I'll change the minimum bitrate to 15,000,000 (as well as the frame rate from 29.970 fps to 25 fps) and see if that works. 


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Posted 31 March 2017 - 07:53 AM

It worked. Thankyou! The only thing is the bitrate is still a bit low compared to what I'm used to. Usually, when I render videos in Sony Movie Studio using the Main Concept HDV presets, the bitrate is 25384 kbps. It did note some slight softening in some fast moving subject matter in the test clip I just rendered then as 1080 25p. Next time, I'll bump the bitrate up higher on that Internet template.

 

By the way, I am planning to submit a whole bunch of 1080p clips to stock footage agencies. In the past, after exporting with Sony Movie Studio, I'd drop the clips into MPEG Streamclip where I'd convert them to h264 MOV and then submit them (after all Shutterstock and a few other agencies accept h264.) Though my clips are generally not graded. I know that h264 is quite compressed so would that cause any issues to clients buying the footage who want to grade it themselves? Or could they convert it to a less lossy format for grading?


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#9 Macks Fiiod

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 02:03 PM

The stock footage I've seen on Youtube specifically; it never really comes with any expectation the downloader should be grading it. Usually in rec709.

Vegas can export to H264 but you need to go out of your way and install some extra codecs. If you're paranoid about which file format is professional, Davinci Resolve can export h264 DNxHD etc (on the free version I don't think it can do pro res). It has a fairly similar workflow to Vegas and won't feel assbackwards while working in it.

 

I understand why someone would want to stick with Vegas for its extremely silky workflow, but under-the-hood there is more potential elsewhere.


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Posted 17 April 2017 - 11:00 AM

Ive just placed an AVC 1080p video into MPEG Streamclip to create a h264 MOV file. After typing in all the details and clicking 'Make Movie', I get an error message that says: "Error: Can't prepare the movie." This has never happened before. Ive converted heaps of Main Concept mpeg 2 / m2t files to h264 with MPEG Streamclip without any problems. I don't suppose the issue is that this is an AVC file? Ive never imported these into Streamclip before.


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#11 Patrick Cooper

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 08:42 PM

Ive just thought of a crude workaround. In the past, there have been videos that Ive exported with VirtualDub that Ive imported into MPEG Streamclip and they were able to be converted to h264 MOV files just fine. So I could bring the AVC 1080p video into VirtualDub, create an AVI and then import that AVI into MPEG Streamclip. Though one thing Ive never been sure about is if VD retains the progressive nature of the video? That was my assumption - that if you import a progressive video into VirtualDub and convert it into an AVI, it would be a progressive AVI. 


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#12 Macks Fiiod

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 08:45 PM

I could add you on skype and screenshare with you what to do if that'd help. I'm afraid my text is implying differently from what's in my memory.


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#13 Patrick Cooper

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 10:50 PM

Macks, thankyou for the offer. Unfortunately, skype is not practical for me because I don't have a mike on this computer. I ordered one from eBay some time ago but it never arrived.

 

And I just remembered something negative about VirtualDub. It only accepts AVI files so I'd have to get my AVC videos converted to AVI first and that's just going to add too many conversions to the whole workflow. 


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#14 Macks Fiiod

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 10:52 PM

Better submit that eBay complaint!


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#15 Patrick Cooper

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 11:28 PM

Any ideas why MPEG Streamclip won't export the video? My only guess is that it's something to do with the AVC file or perhaps it's something else.

 

Edit: the AVC file is an mp4. 


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 05:16 AM

I did some searching online and supposedly, Sony Movie Studio's MP4 does contain the h264 codec so looks like I'm in luck.


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 10:13 PM

Looks like I wasn't so lucky after all. I uploaded my MP4 file to Shutterstock as is. Over an hour later, it was no longer pending review and I discovered that it was in my rejected video files tab. It had the following rejection reason: "File Integrity -- File is corrupt, will not open properly or there was another technical problem wit..." So I don't know what's going on there....whether this MP4 container is at fault or something else. I also uploaded the same video to Adobe Stock so I'll wait and see if they have any issues with it. I'll also upload some other videos to SS as MP4s and see how they fare.
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