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#1 Hank Vadim

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Posted 04 May 2017 - 12:50 PM

Hello guys, tell me about those camera report forms. What do you put in that form, when, and why? Thanks!


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#2 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 04 May 2017 - 01:03 PM

You fill the reports on the shoot day. A camera assistant usually fills them out. They provide information to the editors and other post production staff on the slate numbers and technical information. If shooting on film it will  provide footage for each take and processing info for the laboratory.

 

Here's one person's camera report sheet, there are others for film shoots.

 

http://www.theblacka...camera-reports/


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#3 Hank Vadim

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Posted 04 May 2017 - 03:08 PM

It's good to know what's that is and how it's done. So you only put bad takes there?


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Posted 04 May 2017 - 03:24 PM

Every take is recorded on a camera report. Most of them feature:

  • Camera height
  • Lens
  • Aperture
  • Angle
  • Scene #
  • Shot (expressed with letters)
  • Special notes (such as rehearsal shot, VFX plate, bad take, false roll, etc)
  • Clip name (if digital)
  • Compression/codec (if digital)
  • Filters

Big picture: the camera report isn't the only thing post-production uses. The Script Supervisor report is heavily used. A 2nd AC should be constantly in touch with the Script Supervisor to ensure accuracy on the camera report.

 

Filling out a report as a 2nd AC is challenging, but part of the job. Stay focused, ask questions, and don't assume.


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#5 Hank Vadim

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Posted 04 May 2017 - 03:46 PM

Damn. Huge respect to ACs!!!


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Posted 04 May 2017 - 03:48 PM

It gets easy; shots start to repeat, things stop changing. Usually codec is the same throughout and metadata is eliminating more and more things a report needs to have.


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#7 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 04 May 2017 - 06:18 PM

They also sell little books as camera logs.


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#8 Hank Vadim

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Posted 05 May 2017 - 06:44 AM

They also sell little books as camera logs.

I know, went to buy one from Arri the other day. It has like 30 pages and costs 20GBP!!


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#9 Robin R Probyn

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Posted 05 May 2017 - 07:15 AM

I know, went to buy one from Arri the other day. It has like 30 pages and costs 20GBP!!

 

 

Cos they had Arri written on them.. they used to be supplied by the actual labs themselves .. for free ! .. might be worth checking that out.. was a long time ago though !..


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Posted 05 May 2017 - 08:49 AM

 

 

Cos they had Arri written on them.. they used to be supplied by the actual labs themselves .. for free ! .. might be worth checking that out.. was a long time ago though !..

 

FotoKem still sends out carbon copy reports, just like they always have. 


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#11 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 05 May 2017 - 09:04 AM

It's very easy if you're a second assistant and your job begins and ends with fetching equipment and writing these things out.

 

Well, I mean, I assume it does. Next time I actually get a second assistant, I'll ask.

 

If it's just you and perhaps a focus puller and that's the entire camera, grip and electrical department, writing all this stuff out is one of the first things to get put aside.

 

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Posted 05 May 2017 - 09:41 AM

I would assume if you're talking about extremely small production crews, you'll also have an extremely post production crew, so communication is less of an issue. Also, the chances are there won't be the volume of media found on a larger production.

 

I know that the one camera assistant on 16mm productions used to fill out the camera reports.


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Posted 07 May 2017 - 11:03 AM

On the last show I did, we had a simple report form with the following info tracked for every shot/take

 

Scene

Take

Clip #

Lens

Filter

Special remarks

 

At the top, for every report, we would also note the ASA and color temp, and make not of any mid-roll changes to these settings in "remarks".

 

Since our show used several different lenses, it was important to note the lens series being used - we had ultraprimes, optimo zooms, and a lens baby kit. When we were on a zoom, I would do my best to track the focal length and lens being used for that particular take. If it was an inconsistent range, I would often write "VAR" which stood for "various". 

 

It's best to try and be as accurate as possible, and we often would refer back to the notes when matching shots on second unit or for inserts. It can be hard at times, especially in the rain, but once you develop good habits it gets easier. Easier still if you've got a stellar script supervisor. One of the hardest parts for me was not being able to see the camera or monitors between every take, and I had a 1st that would often roll too early, and then cut, adding extra clips to the card that I had a hard time accounting for. 


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#14 Hank Vadim

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Posted 07 May 2017 - 11:10 AM

What would you put in the clip section?
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Posted 08 May 2017 - 03:45 PM

What would you put in the clip section?

 

Usually what the camera is saying the current (or about to be recorded) clip name is.

 

IE: A002_CLIP004

 

This is crucial with matching handwritten notes to the digital data. Some cameras don't record the clips in the order that they're shot, so having the clip name recorded on the log will help with organizing footage later (and doing playback in camera).


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Posted 08 May 2017 - 07:06 PM

What camera is recording clips not in the order they are shot.. ?? why/how..   not having a go .. honestly have never heard of this ..


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Posted 08 May 2017 - 07:12 PM

What camera is recording clips not in the order they are shot.. ?? why/how..   not having a go .. honestly have never heard of this ..

 

I've had RED cameras configured for unique naming and the files are out of order. I've also recently tested the Varicam and the files were out of order when importing them into DaVinci.


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Posted 08 May 2017 - 08:36 PM

man, this is getting mucho complicado.

you can write in camera reports whatever you want, so long as the rest of the people in the production workflow understand what you are writing down. same goes for the slates - i personally don't care what's written on them. that information is not for me, it is presented to others.

 

i'm sure there are regional differences, but on productions i have worked on, where we had: 1. script supervisor on set, 2. a lab which processes/stores/creates dailies or otherwise works with the shot material, the camera reports simply reflect what was shot on the mag (this is for digital)

- date

- roll number

- take number (not camera's clip number)

- related notes

 

have a look at the attached pic of one of my reports

 

scan1.jpg


Edited by Kyryll Sobolev, 08 May 2017 - 08:36 PM.

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#19 Kyryll Sobolev

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Posted 08 May 2017 - 08:38 PM

these reports are an anachronism anyway, same as slating. hopefully they'll morph into something more useful over the next decade, or disappear.

 

in music vids and commercials there are no camera reports anymore (for digital work).

nearly everything is noted by script supervisor, and vetted by DIT/DMT, before going out to the lab


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#20 Robin R Probyn

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Posted 08 May 2017 - 09:11 PM

 

I've had RED cameras configured for unique naming and the files are out of order. I've also recently tested the Varicam and the files were out of order when importing them into DaVinci.

 

 

Had to be a RED .. :).. my camera you can set your own clip name/number .. or have the industry standard random file configuration.. but the actual clip number is always sequential .. as recorded 001 up wards.. wonder why they would ever what files out of order.. or is it a software bug in post..?


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