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#1 Carl Nenzen Loven

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 08:22 PM

I have already brought this up in the 16mm group, but I need guidance from us Eclair pros.

First.

What are the issues with using Nikon-lenses on the ACL?

Two.

Les Bosher does not speak to me anymore at all, so is there anyone that knows where I could get one, or that could offer to contact him to buy one for me?

Three.

I am going to use the lenses with a Panasonic AG-LA7200 adapter, to get the wider anamorphic look of the footage. I know flares will not be the same but I want the width more. I have seen it being used with Nikon lenses on the BlackMagic Design Pocket Cinema Camera, and that has the exact same sensor size as Super 16 film. But despite this, what could be some of my problems? (  - Video shot with this combination)

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#2 Jean-Louis Seguin

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 10:04 PM

You could always use a Nikon to C-mount adapter.
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#3 Josh Gladstone

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Posted 10 June 2017 - 09:30 PM

I've actually got a Nikon to ACL adapter, so they did make them.

 

I'd keep an eye on ebay, a decent looking ACL kit just sold today for like $550.

 

If the sensor sizes are the same, you should get very similar results, so if it works on the BMPCC, I can't think of a reason it wouldn't on a super16 ACL, other than lens mounting or possibly backfocus issues.


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#4 Gregg MacPherson

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Posted 10 June 2017 - 11:18 PM

Josh,  can you rent yours to Carl for that project for a few bucks.  They are pretty robust.


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#5 Josh Gladstone

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 12:39 AM

Sure, why not? Better if someone gets some use out of it. Let me know if you're interested.


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#6 Samuel Berger

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Posted 28 September 2017 - 11:37 PM

Carl, it's been a while since you got the ACL. What have you been shooting? It looks like a lot of your time with it is spent problem-solving, do you regret your purchase?

 

I'm interested in shooting anamorphic on the NPR. Did you figure out how to do it on the ACL?


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#7 Carl Nenzen Loven

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 01:52 AM

Carl, it's been a while since you got the ACL. What have you been shooting? It looks like a lot of your time with it is spent problem-solving, do you regret your purchase?
 
I'm interested in shooting anamorphic on the NPR. Did you figure out how to do it on the ACL?


Never. I love the camera. Maybe I wish it run a bit quieter to be sound sync. But it has performed well. I've only shoot 1800 ft since I got it though. But planning to shoot a larger think in a few weeks.


And to answer you, yes. I finally got hold on the adapter, and the seller is shipping it next week. If it works out I'll have some amazing anamorphic footage to show.

C
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#8 Samuel Berger

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 05:49 PM

Never. I love the camera. Maybe I wish it run a bit quieter to be sound sync. But it has performed well. I've only shoot 1800 ft since I got it though. But planning to shoot a larger think in a few weeks.


And to answer you, yes. I finally got hold on the adapter, and the seller is shipping it next week. If it works out I'll have some amazing anamorphic footage to show.

C

 

How'd it go?


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#9 Carl Nenzen Loven

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 02:29 PM

 

How'd it go?

I have managed to get the adapter. Now I just need the screw on mount to be used with lenses. And diopters for close up focus.

But hopefully by next week I will know.

C


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#10 Carl Nenzen Loven

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 02:33 PM

Sure, why not? Better if someone gets some use out of it. Let me know if you're interested.

I might want to take you up on this now, so I can test it out :)

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#11 Samuel Berger

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 03:02 PM

Gotta move faster, Carl, so as to not lose momentum. ;-) Speaking from personal experience.


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#12 Carl Nenzen Loven

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 03:13 PM

Gotta move faster, Carl, so as to not lose momentum. ;-) Speaking from personal experience.

True.

I got all the screw in adapters ready. And the diopters arriving this week.

C


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Posted 31 October 2017 - 06:41 PM

Carl, do you have any footage at all from your Eclair, online? 16mm on ACLs sometimes "breathe" and I wanted to know if you had that issue.


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#14 Gregg MacPherson

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 06:54 PM

Carl, do you have any footage at all from your Eclair, online? 16mm on ACLs sometimes "breathe" and I wanted to know if you had that issue.

 

Haven't heard of that before. What is meant by "breathe"...?


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Posted 31 October 2017 - 06:57 PM

 

Haven't heard of that before. What is meant by "breathe"...?

 

The film waffles between the gate and the pressure plate causing momentary softness of image. No I don't know why that happens. There's examples on Youtube if I remember correctly.


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#16 Carl Nenzen Loven

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 07:23 PM

 

The film waffles between the gate and the pressure plate causing momentary softness of image. No I don't know why that happens. There's examples on Youtube if I remember correctly.

I don't mean to be a stickler for terms but breathe isn't that just referred to the lens?

The other is just known as a faulty, or bad pressure plate?

And to answer your question, no. Never. However my camera has been taken care of Bernie O'Dohorety so it is happy as one can be. I imagine this is only happening to english mags.

Throw and email away to Super16inc and see what he says. I have never heard of it.

C


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#17 Gregg MacPherson

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 08:08 PM

I've never heard of this "breathing" thing.  Is there some evidence or an opinion trail that one can look at....?

Secondly,  what is this negative slight against English mags that keeps coming up.  They are very well designed and built. I don't think the standard there is any less than the French ones.  The only qualification one could legitimately make is that the design sophistication resulted in more parts, more complexity.  But those extra things were very well designed and built.  The current draw with an English 400' mag is very low, under 1A at 24fps.


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Posted 31 October 2017 - 11:26 PM

I followed the videos and it ultimately led to this. https://eclaircamera...licker-problem/

 

Edited to add: Hey I see you in the comments, Gregg.


Edited by Samuel Berger, 31 October 2017 - 11:28 PM.

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#19 Gregg MacPherson

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 12:18 AM

 

The film waffles between the gate and the pressure plate causing momentary softness of image. No I don't know why that happens. There's examples on Youtube if I remember correctly.

 

Is there any evidence of this at all, or a reference to someone observing it or having an opinion about it. I've never heard of it and my guess is that this is fiction.

 

So, I guess,  moving on from "breathing" and now considering flicker problems....The flicker problem in the video you reference is particular to a camera of Heiki's that was converted to S16, with a machining error that made a hole that gave an intermittent light leak.

 

The problem refered to in that article with the early motors on the ACL causing flicker due to hunting between poles,  I never observed over several years of regular use.  Previously, when peoples were discussing flicker problems,  forum member Dirk DeJonghe recollected that an old or worn rubber drive coupling could somehow cause a "flicker" effect.  That puzzled me actually,  trying to figure out how, but you have to respect what seem to be simple factual things...


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#20 Carl Nenzen Loven

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 12:41 AM

I followed the videos and it ultimately led to this. https://eclaircamera...licker-problem/

 

Edited to add: Hey I see you in the comments, Gregg.

 

I have never heard of this breathing you speak of. And not seen it on any of the eclairs I have operated.
 

 

Is there any evidence of this at all, or a reference to someone observing it or having an opinion about it. I've never heard of it and my guess is that this is fiction.

 

So, I guess,  moving on from "breathing" and now considering flicker problems....The flicker problem in the video you reference is particular to a camera of Heiki's that was converted to S16, with a machining error that made a hole that gave an intermittent light leak.

 

The problem refered to in that article with the early motors on the ACL causing flicker due to hunting between poles,  I never observed over several years of regular use.  Previously, when peoples were discussing flicker problems,  forum member Dirk DeJonghe recollected that an old or worn rubber drive coupling could somehow cause a "flicker" effect.  That puzzled me actually,  trying to figure out how, but you have to respect what seem to be simple factual things...

This was a result of conversions done by Les Bosher mainly. He is not really reliable when it comes to Eclairs at least, despite being the only repairman in europe.

The light leak was a temporary issue with the ones he had converted, otherwise, not an issue at at. The flicker come sometimes occur when the 144 degree shutter was not installed either, or timed correctly.

As for english mags, I have never used them. But I have only heard that the few repairmen around will not touch english mags because they are so....unreliable?

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