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#1 fouadelbali

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 12:56 PM

Hello,

 

I want a buy good monitor for 4k color grading "GH5", but i have a lower budget "400 euro".

i have two choice :

1- Buy a good monitor "1080p" for color grading.

2- buy a 4k monitor but not good for grading.

if you have other solutions please help me.

 

Thanks 


Edited by fouadelbali, 12 June 2017 - 12:57 PM.

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#2 Satsuki Murashige

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 01:58 PM

You definitely won't be able to get a professional grading monitor for 400 Euro. Those cost at least 4,000 Euro, if not more. You probably won't even be able to get a decent 4K TV for 400 Euro.

But if you're serious about getting into color grading, I would consider looking at used Panasonic plasma HDTVs from the last few years. Those have the ability to produce rich blacks and the color can be quite good after calibration. I have a Panasonic Viera ST50 from 2013 that was around $1000/new, I think. Just looking on eBay, more recent used models are around $400, so under your budget.

It works well enough for home grading on my Mac, along with a Blackmagic Mini Monitor and Davinci Resolve. The Mini Monitor (which converts the video on your computer to broadcast standard video for proper viewing when used with editing and color grading software) is $150, and Resolve can be downloaded for free. That's about as cheap as you can get, I think.
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Posted 13 June 2017 - 11:30 AM

 

Thanks for the answer,

 

what you think about the LG Ecran LG 31MU97Z - 31" - 4096x2160 - Dalle IPS - HDMI, Display port, USB 3.0 ??????????


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Posted 13 June 2017 - 02:39 PM

Don't know anything about that model, sorry.

But for grading, I think you actually want a TV or broadcast monitor with HDMI or SDI. The reason is that computer monitors operate in a different color space (sRGB, Adobe RGB, etc) from broadcast video monitors (Rec709). So in order to accurately preview how your work will look on TV monitors and home video projectors, you need to work in Rec709 color space.

Editing programs like Adobe Premiere and grading programs like Davinci Resolve have those proper video outputs available to you, as long as you use a device like a Mini Monitor or an Ultrastudio HD to convert the signal. You connect the device to your computer's Thunderbolt port, and the device to the TV monitor with an HDMI or SDI cable. Then the program recognizes that there is a video monitor attached and outputs a proper Rec709 video signal to that monitor.

If you just plug your TV or computer monitor directly into the computer via HDMI, then the computer will simply treat it as a second computer screen and not convert the signal to broadcast video standard. Which is fine for editing when you simply want to have a larger workspace. But if you want accurate looking video, you need to pass through a conversion device first.

So just using any computer monitor with an HDMI port is a bad idea for color grading. You can use that monitor for your GUI or as a second screen for more work space, but you can't rely on the color or contrast to be accurate.
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Posted 14 June 2017 - 06:57 PM


Hello, 

 

Thanks a lot now i understand why i need a Mini Monitor or an Ultrastudio HD it's very clear, actualy i'm very serious about getting into color grading "Davinci", and i'm gonna spend more money to buy a good monitor with a mini monitor or an Ultrastudio HDthe LG Ecran LG 31MU97Z - 31" is a 4k 4096x2060,10 bit monitor with ips Adobe RGB over 99.5% / DCI-P3 97% and thunderbolt, the price is 1000 euro. 

 

 

1-Do you think is a good idea the buy this monitor ?

2-do i need the mini monitor or an ultrastudio even if the monitor have already a thunderbolt port ?

 

Thanks


Edited by fouadelbali, 14 June 2017 - 06:58 PM.

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#6 Satsuki Murashige

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:52 PM

I don't know anything about that model of monitor, so unfortunately I have no idea. But yes, you'll still need the Ultrastudio because it's not about having compatible computer ports. It's about converting color spaces and getting a broadcast legal video output out of the computer.

You should try asking grading specific questions over at: http://liftgammagain...forum/index.php, a professional color grading forum. You will get more specific answers there.
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Posted 15 June 2017 - 07:02 AM

Thank you so muck 


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Posted 15 June 2017 - 02:41 PM

one last question:

I'm gonna work with 4k 4096x2060 "gh5", wich Ultrastudio work well with this resolution ?

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#9 Satsuki Murashige

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 12:32 AM

One of the 4K models, I imagine. You would also have to check if the free version of Resolve actually outputs 4K video. Again, the LiftGammaGain forum would be a good resource for these types of questions.

Honestly though, you don't necessarily need to monitor your edit and grade in 4K just because your camera shoots 4K. Monitoring in HD is still a lot more common, as higher resolutions tend to eat up a lot of graphics card resources for minimal benefit, especially once you are working with a lot of nodes or layers. Personally, I don't think monitoring 4K makes a lot of sense unless you're regularly delivering for theaters and other large displays.
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Posted 16 June 2017 - 05:19 AM

Given the budget, 4K is out of question. With some time and luck, you could probably find a decent used graphics PC monitor (like certain Eizo models) that will display HD. 

Not sure about plasmas as they all seem to have auto black adjustment which renders them useless for grading. Maybe there are ones where you can turn it off. Will need a LUT box.

It's possible to buy an actual grading monitor for cheap, but it'll be SD CRT, likely with a near-dead tube, likely not better than a good PC monitor because of that.

 

And it goes without sayind that the monitor must be calibrated for '709 color.


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#11 fouadelbali

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 02:43 PM

thanks,

 

it's necessary to work with 3 monitors to grade or i can start with just one it's enough ?

i need the ultrastudio hd when i have 3 or 2 "preview" monitors or even when i have just one ? 


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Posted 16 June 2017 - 02:57 PM

You don't need 3 grading monitors. One grading monitor and one for interface is enough. Later you might get another one to display scopes, but now getting an adequate grading monitor is a first priority.


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#13 fouadelbali

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 03:38 PM

what you think about this one ?

EIZO Moniteur ColorEdge CS2730 27" + ColorNavigator


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Posted 16 June 2017 - 03:59 PM

Seems adequate. But you should better ask at LiftGammaGain as I know nothing about LCDs and neither do most of us here. Basically you need a monitor which will precisely enough display colors within Rec709 spec and which you can calibrate to a '709 gamma.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 07:26 AM

Thanks guys it was very helpful 


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