Jump to content


Photo

Caf


  • Please log in to reply
4 replies to this topic

#1 Adam Paul

Adam Paul
  • Basic Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 300 posts
  • Cinematographer
  • Here and now

Posted 12 August 2017 - 04:21 AM

I finally caught Café Society on blu-ray.

 

I must say I didn't care for the cinematography. The lighting was obviously inspired by classic Hollywood. But I think the digital look didn't really fit that style. At least not the F65 look. I just couldn't get into the mood I was watching a story set at that time period. I kept having to remind myself it was set in the past. When I car showed up or something I was reminded of it. But in general it all felt too modern. It felt like people wearing costumes and playing theater. The dialog also made me ask myself sometimes, "Did people really talk like that back then?".

 

But all together I think it might have been the choice of the F65. It just looked all so digital and the cinematography itself felt forced in my opinion. I had to keep telling myself, "But it's Storaro!"

 

What did you think of it?

 

On a side note, on the same day I also saw Billy Lynn and didn't care for the image either. I saw it on blu-ray so no 120fps. I avoided seeing it in 120fps on theaters on purpose. I knew how it would look and that it would take me out of the story. I had enough of that in The Hobbit with 48fps.

 

But even conformed to 24fps the image looked very meh.

 


  • 0


#2 Adam Paul

Adam Paul
  • Basic Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 300 posts
  • Cinematographer
  • Here and now

Posted 12 August 2017 - 07:20 AM

No idea why the title says only Caf.

 

It was meant to say Café Society. But it seems I can no longer edit the post. Could a moderator correct it please?


  • 0

#3 Robin R Probyn

Robin R Probyn
  • Basic Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 1681 posts
  • Cinematographer
  • Tokyo

Posted 12 August 2017 - 07:23 AM

each to their own.. I thought it looked good.. in a very stylized way.. its a Woody Allen film and you talk about natural dialogue.. :) I think you need to see more Allen films..  not really famous for "normal" dialogue.. I think thats one of the reasons people go to see his films actually .. 

 

With 16 bit Raw I dont think the F65 really made alot of difference .. it could have been graded a million different ways.. gain added.. taken out etc..any color..tone,hue.. it could have looked like any camera.. but the lighting for sure was stylized .. 


  • 0

#4 Adam Paul

Adam Paul
  • Basic Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 300 posts
  • Cinematographer
  • Here and now

Posted 12 August 2017 - 11:47 AM

Yes, sure. I know Allen's dialog is different. But it was a period piece. It took me out of it sometimes. But like I said, my main problem was the image.

 

I'm not saying it looked bad. I agree with you that it looked good. The problem I found was that it was not fitting to the story or time period. It is not the lighting though. It is the image as a whole. Many classic films have stylized lighting and they still fit the time period. It was not the lighting. This is why I think digital is to blame. And when it comes to digital looking, the F65 is on the top of the scale. Only Red comes close to it as looking very digital. Alexa, F35, Genesis etc don't look as digital.

 

So if the lighting wasn't the problem, the only thing left to "blame" is digital. Maybe it would have looked more fitting if it was shot on film. I just never bought it that it was set in the 30's/40's because of how it looked and felt.


  • 0

#5 Robin R Probyn

Robin R Probyn
  • Basic Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 1681 posts
  • Cinematographer
  • Tokyo

Posted 12 August 2017 - 07:37 PM

Sure some people like something and others don't..   but these days.. given the time and money ,which I would guess they had both of, for post on this film.. and Im pretty sure Storaro would have been in there.. you can replicate film almost exactly.. if you want to.. for good or for bad.. presuming they shot Raw 16 bit.. it can be manipulated to look like anything..  Coppola and a bunch of ASC dp, s famously all chose footage from a 5D.. as the one they liked the most.. in one of those blind test things.. against 35mm/Alexa etc..Its like the F55 is yellow and looks ENG.. then The Crown comes along.. ?


  • 0


Rig Wheels Passport

CineLab

Visual Products

Metropolis Post

Aerial Filmworks

Abel Cine

Media Blackout - Custom Cables and AKS

FJS International, LLC

Willys Widgets

Ritter Battery

Glidecam

The Slider

Tai Audio

Technodolly

Paralinx LLC

Broadcast Solutions Inc

Gamma Ray Digital Inc

rebotnix Technologies

CineTape

CineLab

FJS International, LLC

Aerial Filmworks

Glidecam

Broadcast Solutions Inc

CineTape

Willys Widgets

Visual Products

Paralinx LLC

Abel Cine

Ritter Battery

Metropolis Post

Gamma Ray Digital Inc

Technodolly

Rig Wheels Passport

rebotnix Technologies

Tai Audio

The Slider

Media Blackout - Custom Cables and AKS