2 PERF CONVERSION COST FOR ARRI & MOVIECAM
Posted 19 August 2017 - 12:20 PM
Posted 19 August 2017 - 01:14 PM
The Moviecam is far too complex, you'd need an all-new electronics package to deal with the speed differential, let alone the mechanics, which are far more complicated then the 2C. Where it's not "impossible" it would probably cost tens of thousands to make a Moviecam 2 perf today. Then you'd have a 28lb camera that nobody wants.
Honestly, I don't understand the obsession with 2 perf at all. It doesn't use the full width of the 35mm frame. It also has a lot of issues with hair in the gate and there is no room for making reframing changes. Honestly, Super 35 3 perf is a FAR better format. It uses the full width of the 35mm frame and it's a native 1.75:1 aspect ratio, which means you can crop to any format you want really. Plus, with labs competing on pricing today and the availability (here in hollywood) of short ends for less then half the retail price of 35mm stock, it's actually pretty inexpensive to shoot 3 perf. We just did a short film, shot around 7000 feet of 35mm and the stock + processing/transfer cost was around $3k. That's acaully about what it costs to shoot the same length project on S16!
Back to 2 perf... the days of finding a great deal on a 2 perf camera are over. The pricing on them is going up because people think they have value, but in reality they really don't unless you're renting them for serious bux. As a camera owner, you're stuck to shooting 2.40:1 forever AND dealing with the limitations of the format. We're building a 235 2 perf camera because we found a movement and having A 2 perf camera for rental will be great for attracting people to our business. At the same time, it's a huge risk but it has huge value too.
If you want a sync sound 2 perf camera, you're really looking at a Arricam SL or ST, which will run you around $25,000 to $35,000 USD because there are literally 10 movements and when they go for sale, people want a lot of money. Two just sold for $32,000 each! If you're OK with an MOS 2 perf camera, the Russians made lots of them and I've seen a few 2C's go for sale recently, just gotta keep an eye out.
Posted 19 August 2017 - 05:30 PM
It's not an obsession but just an amateur desire...
You have focalised some good points but:
the image area of a cropped 2.35:1 3 perf are nearly the same of the Techniscope but you are shooting more film and it will cost more as I'm not living near Hollywood...
If you want to shot Anamorphic you will end with very very expensive 1x33 lens
And finally here on marketplace there was a beautiful Arri 3C techniscope camera kit for a bargain but sadly at the time I had already bought a Aaton Minima kit. I will see, anyway thanks for your tips.
Posted 19 August 2017 - 06:20 PM
Also, I don't know how much 2.40:1 shooting you've done but I've done a lot. I love the aspect ratio and I've been cropping stuff shot on film and digital since I was a kid. I learned at a young age; having the room to change the crop position and do pans up and down for coverage, is a real life saver. With anamrophic 4 perf, especially super 35, you've got so much room for adjusting the frame it's not even funny. With techniscope 2 perf, you really can't adjust the frame without loosing negative size. It starts to look like "good" super 16, with a similar field of view, rather then 35mm. The whole benefit of shooting 35 with it's wider field of view, low noise and wiggle room for making adjustments in post, kinda goes out the window.
Short ends are sold all over the world, they're just rarer today then they were 10 years ago. So getting inexpensive film shouldn't be too much of a problem.
Posted 20 August 2017 - 02:12 PM
Posted 20 August 2017 - 02:32 PM
Thanks but already sen that. They have cameras I'm not interested in, I will wait for a good Aari 3c or a converted Moviecam
Talk to Bruce. Sent him an email. They will also convert ARRI 35 III, 35 BL2, 3, and 4. I think they will also convert the 535B.
Posted 07 September 2017 - 08:45 AM
Its a great format at stock 22mm, or modded, Its larger than S16 and can look fabulous on a good scan to DI. And is still a cost savings and longer mag time than three perf, appx 8.75-9min per 400'
The cameras still come up.
Posted 27 October 2017 - 05:58 PM
I have one. May not be anyone's cup of tea, but it works. Sync sound. Lenses, the whole shooting match. Russian.
I had Anders Banke perform a full 2 perf conversion to a Kinor 35H. Including new electronics, prism resilvering, video tap conversion. It uses it's native OCT19 lens mount. I have a full set of serviced Lomo primes for it as well as the 20-120 OPF18 zoom. As I am out of the business I need the space in my garage. Hit me up if any one is interested. Also have a couple of 4 perf Kinor 35H outfits, and at least 2 Moviecam SuperAmerica packages (4 perf).
2 perf is a wonderful, inexpensive format. If you aren't cropping down from the 2.40 width it is much bigger than Super 16. Do you have to be careful? Yes. But you should be anyway. The hair in the gate thing just really isn't a factor in my experience. I am always very proactive on cleanliness.
Posted 28 January 2018 - 11:08 PM
I am down sizing my 2 perf Kinor 35H sync camera packages, i have three price between 4-6k/
Posted 08 March 2018 - 04:04 AM
Back to 2 perf... the days of finding a great deal on a 2 perf camera are over.
We're building a 235 2 perf camera because we found a movement...
It's basically what Tyler said. I have two 2-Perf movie cameras a 235 and ARRI 2C (converted) but neither were easy to get. Some of the 2-perf movie cameras I found out there have some iffy history to them and others were not converted right.
Your best bet is a 2/3 perf SWITCHABLE 35mm movie camera. Your choices are very few... but they are the ARRI 235, Arricam LT & ST and Aaton Penelope. 4 perf anamorphic - anything (camera/lens) is very EXPENSIVE . 2- perf is the CHEAPEST THERE IS but you are limited only to feature films. 3-perf is the best possible FORMAT there is but only the 2nd cheapest compared to the ultra-cheap 2-perf. I would NOT stay locked into any "format" be it 2,3,4 perf. You need to be flexible to 2/3 perf these days ideally switching to format for online internet cinema (3-perf) or format for feature films (2-perf).
Edited by Rob Guerrero, 08 March 2018 - 04:07 AM.