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#1 Joe Taylor

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 02:53 PM

Asked this is another forum but perhaps should have asked here first.  I have a Beaulieu R16 that recently stopped working.  Bad motor.  Body is likely shot but it has a fine Angenieux 12-120.  Do these lenses have any really value?


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#2 Samuel Berger

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 03:02 PM

You should post some pictures. Are there any scratches, haze, "cleaning marks" or fungus?


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#3 Joe Taylor

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 09:40 AM

You should post some pictures. Are there any scratches, haze, "cleaning marks" or fungus?

 

Glass is pristine.  I'll get some pics going soon.  


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#4 Dom Jaeger

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 02:22 PM

I always check the sold listings on eBay to get a sense of what people actually pay for things, rather than the often inflated asking price of buy-it-now listings. A decent Ang 12-120 might get up to US$500 but more commonly they go for $100-$200. Late model MC versions are more desirable.
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#5 Samuel Berger

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 02:29 PM

I'd give you $100 for it if it's C mount.


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#6 Gregg MacPherson

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 03:05 PM

Joe,  if you have the zoom motors etc maybe it's useful to someone with a Beaulieu,  so worth more than a normal 12-120....


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#7 Joe Taylor

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 05:52 PM

I messed up.  It's an Angenieux 8-64 and it does have the zoom motor.  Glass is pristine.  Also has a motorized aperture.  I'll take some time to get some pictures tonight.  


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#8 Joe Taylor

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 05:56 PM

Lens is a c-mount but I'm also not sure if it will work on Bolex's or jus the Beaulieu.  


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#9 Samuel Berger

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 06:00 PM

Simon Wyss would know.


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#10 Dom Jaeger

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 07:45 PM

Are you sure an Angenieux 8-64 came off your R16, since it's a Super 8 zoom..
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#11 Joe Taylor

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 10:21 PM

Are you sure an Angenieux 8-64 came off your R16, since it's a Super 8 zoom..

 

It's a Beaulieu S2008.  I have both and got the names mixed up.  But it's definitely a Angenieux  8-64.


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#12 Joe Taylor

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 10:23 PM

If the Angenieux  8-64 doesn't have much value, I may try and find another S2008 body.  


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#13 Bengt Freden

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 10:29 AM

Joe!

That Angénieux 1.9/8-64mm Super-8 zoom lens DOES in fact have a great value!

 

It is one of the few Super-8 zooms that covers the wider 'MAX-8' format at the WIDE ANGLE end (8mm)! Other zoom lenses, like the revered and commonly praised Schneider-Kreuznach Optivaron 1.8/6-66mm does NOT cover the 'MAX-8' (or 'SuperDuper-8') format at the wide end, in this case 6mm - you will get black/vignetted corners. The 8-64mm lens is perhaps not known to be the sharpest among zoom lenses - the longer Angénieux 1.2 /T1.4 6-80mm or 6-90mm lenses have higher overall resolution and contrast, but they have an even more narrow image circle at the wide end (6mm), than the Schneider 6-66mm.

So, I suggest that you keep this lens, if you should in the future like to try out a WIDER format on ANY C mount Super-8 movie camera, for example the anticipated, upcoming (in spring 2018?), and incredibly high-priced KODAK Super-8 camera, which reportedly will have the wider screen format. Other interesting cameras are;  the exclusive Danish LOGMAR S8 (it also the has wider screen, and it's own register pin drive movement mechanism, and metal film gate), or any of the vintage French Pathé DoubleSuper-8 cameras (normal 4:3 aspect ratio, but the gate CAN theoretically be widened on the sound track side, opposite the perforations, with spring wound- or electric motors) - all of these have the same, standardized C mount, back flange focal distance as the Beaulieu 2008, 4008, 3008 - 5008 series. (The later 6008, 7008 - 9008 cameras have a different lens mount).

All the best, Bengt F, Sweden


Edited by Bengt Freden, 12 December 2017 - 10:35 AM.

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#14 Bengt Freden

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 10:46 AM

Hi again, Joe,

 

I forgot to post a rather important link - LOOK HERE what Pro8mm in Burbank, Cal, is asking for their MAX-8-converted Beaulieu 4008ZM camera, with that very lens!:  https://www.pro8mm.c...ant=30056208897

 

So, you see, you are sitting on a rare gem there!..

Best, Bengt F, Sweden

PS. The only thing that is a bit awkward with this zoom lens is it's front filter thread - it is 46,5mm! But Pro8mm comes to the rescue with an adapter for 49mm Pentax Spotmatic filters (or is it nowadays for a 58mm thread?) for only 50 bucks!: https://www.pro8mm.c...-46-5mm-to-58mm

WITTNER Cinetec in Hamburg, Germany has one, too (for 49mm filters), at 16,90 Euros:  http://www.wittnerci...m/Products/1133

 

There are of course other 'vintage' adapter rings, but they are EXTREMELY rare (I have managed to find one from Tiffen)


Edited by Bengt Freden, 12 December 2017 - 10:56 AM.

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#15 Samuel Berger

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 01:13 PM

Hi again, Joe,

 

I forgot to post a rather important link - LOOK HERE what Pro8mm in Burbank, Cal, is asking for their MAX-8-converted Beaulieu 4008ZM camera, with that very lens!:  https://www.pro8mm.c...ant=30056208897

 

So, you see, you are sitting on a rare gem there!..

Best, Bengt F, Sweden

PS. The only thing that is a bit awkward with this zoom lens is it's front filter thread - it is 46,5mm! But Pro8mm comes to the rescue with an adapter for 49mm Pentax Spotmatic filters (or is it nowadays for a 58mm thread?) for only 50 bucks!: https://www.pro8mm.c...-46-5mm-to-58mm

WITTNER Cinetec in Hamburg, Germany has one, too (for 49mm filters), at 16,90 Euros:  http://www.wittnerci...m/Products/1133

 

There are of course other 'vintage' adapter rings, but they are EXTREMELY rare (I have managed to find one from Tiffen)

 

Pro8mm is a disgusting  business with ridiculously overpriced products rebuilt from ancient stuff from other, better companies, and services that produce expensive hit or miss results. It should be removed from the collective consciousness as a serious source for anything super 8.

 

The Angenieux 8-64mm/1.9 is a commonly found lens which can be cheaply purchased on eBay.

https://www.ebay.com...8-64mm&_sacat=0

 

If you do need the step up ring, I suggest getting it from Wittner, an actual necessary company in the world of Super 8. The shipping won't be too expensive and the whole thing might be cheaper than having to do business with Pro8mm. Number one rule of Super 8? Do not do business with Pro8mm.


Edited by Samuel Berger, 12 December 2017 - 01:14 PM.

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#16 Mark Dunn

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 01:32 PM

They have got  bit of a cheek removing all the branding from cameras, substituting their own, and putting a zero on the price. If they weren't all discontinued they'd be passing off bigtime. They even do it with film.


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#17 Dom Jaeger

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 05:03 PM

The sold listings show that if you wait you can generally pick up an Angenieux 8-64 PLUS a Beaulieu camera for under $100:

https://www.ebay.com...=p2045573.m1684
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