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#1 kinsella film

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Posted 01 July 2005 - 01:29 PM

I will be shooting a short 3 minute "silent film" soon, ( a style from 1925-1930) on my Pal Sony PD-150, I want a silent film look, I was thinking of shooting at a 25th second, then editing on Final Cut 4 and running the speed at about 110%-120%.
Any good technical ideas ??
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#2 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 01 July 2005 - 06:01 PM

[Well, you'd be better off shooting on film, even Super-8 b&w, and if not, a progressive-scan camera, so I'd consider taking your interlaced-scan footage and dropping every other field to convert it into a progressive-scan look even if causes a loss of vertical resolution.

Does that camera have a half-speed progressive-scan function (i.e. 15 fps for NTSC) like some of the small Sony's have? That might work; you could do a speed change in post to keep it from looking too sped-up.
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Posted 02 July 2005 - 12:42 AM

I will be shooting a short 3 minute "silent film" soon, ( a style from 1925-1930)  on my Pal Sony PD-150, I want a silent film look, I was thinking of shooting at a 25th second, then editing  on Final Cut 4 and running the speed at about 110%-120%. Any good technical ideas ??

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Another relatively inexpensive solution for use with PD-150 originated (and other) footage is the "Film Effects" plugin for FCP from Natress:
http://www.nattress....filmEffects.htm

All the best,

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#4 Simon Wyndham

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Posted 02 July 2005 - 04:58 AM

Peter, there is an example of a silent movie look I did for a project on an XM1 near the end of my reel
http://www.simonwyndham.co.uk/reel.htm

I used FilmFX 2.35 using a custom setting I based upon Buster Keatons "The General". I got the speed up effect using After Effects time remapping, though I forget how many fps I based things on.
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#5 Peter J DeCrescenzo

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Posted 02 July 2005 - 09:33 PM

Peter, there is an example of a silent movie look I did for a project on an XM1 near the end of my reel
http://www.simonwyndham.co.uk/reel.htm

I used FilmFX 2.35 using a custom setting I based upon Buster Keatons "The General". I got the speed up effect using After Effects time remapping, though I forget how many fps I based things on.

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Fun stuff, Simon!

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#6 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 03 July 2005 - 08:54 AM

Hi,

The following might be relevant:

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While obviously not "good" in any objective sense, they should demonstrate what can be done without recourse solutions which are off the shelf and look it. There was pulsating, scratches and dirt, which aren't very apparent on there, and I simulated a few other bits and pieces, including a period-correct leader, a projector roll-out and shutdown, a projector derailing, stuck film melting, and little tricks like dirt increasing towards the end of the reel and jumps on splices. We also treated the sound.

I could mount a video if you're interested.

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#7 Jay Gladwell

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Posted 03 July 2005 - 07:17 PM

For what it's worth, most silent movies were shot at 18fps. That's why they look the way they do, being projected at 24fps.

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Posted 03 July 2005 - 07:27 PM

That's debatable, according to film historian and restorer Kevin Brownlow. See:

http://www.cinemaweb...elf/18_kb_2.htm
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Posted 04 July 2005 - 03:01 AM

For what it's worth, most silent movies were shot at 18fps.  That's why they look the way they do, being projected at 24fps.

Jay

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Thank you for your mail and thank you to everybody for their help ! 18fps! Interesting, question is how can I get the same effect ???.
As I said I am making a 3min. pilot film about moonshine, but do not have any budget, so, I have to use my PD-150. so looks like I will have to settle for the "Film look" filter in FCP 4 :(
Thanks again

David
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#10 Jay Gladwell

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Posted 04 July 2005 - 08:02 AM

Yes, David, I'm well aware of what film historians have said, but on average the frame rate was 18fps. To get that "look" 18fps works just fine.

Jay
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