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#1 Jon O'Brien

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 06:27 PM

Hi,

 

I've sent a roll of 7203 16mm off to be processed, then it's being scanned at 2.5k in Melbourne, and is also going to colour graded there. I'm getting it back, probably in ProRes4444, on a usb stick.

 

All I really want to do is put in some simple fade ins and fade outs, move sequence of shots around, shorten some takes, delete some takes, and cut out some fogged frames etc. Then maybe try putting a soundtrack on, and at one point jiggling things a bit to try and approximately sync-up a close up of a guitarist's fingers plucking the strings with his recording (we used a metronome on location, and a pre-determined tempo).

 

Can all these things be done on the free version of Davinci Resolve? It's to be used on a PC (not a Mac). This might sound ludicrously simple but I've never done digital editing before - I've done lots of real film editing though with splicer, tape etc.

 

Any advice would be really helpful. If you know of something better or just as good, or not very expensive, please chime in and let me know.

 

Thanks


Edited by Jon O'Brien, 08 November 2017 - 06:30 PM.

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#2 Jon O'Brien

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 06:56 PM

I also want to crop the image to 2.35:1 or thereabouts. It was shot on S-16.


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 06:59 PM

The short answer is yes it can be done. Google the tutorials for each of the things you want to do.


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#4 Tyler Purcell

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 07:32 PM

Yep DaVinci is probably your best bet as its free and has all the necessary coloring tools.
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#5 Jon O'Brien

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 08:27 PM

Been doing some research. Davinci gets a big tick for usefulness, quality, and for being free, however apparently there's a big problem if you use windows PC.

 

ProRes4444 is meant to be used with Apple/Mac computers.

 

The film scanning company in Melbourne said this: "ProRes4444 is the standard format that I deliver. For editing purposes (and for higher quality) I would suggest editing Prores444 files. I can export to more or less any format you desire so do let me know if you prefer something besides ProRes4444."

 

We will be using a PC/windows computer.

 

A friend who is helping me out, and who has done some video editing, said this: "I take files as they come AVI, AVCHD etc and output them into MPEG4 to upload on youtube. I could download Davinci Resolve 14, however ProRes4444 are Apple files. There could be big problems trying to convert these files to windows. I could not guarantee that I could get these files to even work."

 

Can anyone advise further on this ProRes4444/windows incompatibility? Should I ask the telecine/scanning guy to export to some other format, other than ProRes4444? If so, can you suggest a format? This is a first reel so it doesn't have to be perfect.

 

In the longer term, if getting more serious at this, is it better in digital editing to go with a Mac computer? Thanks for any advice.


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#6 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 04:41 AM

Encoding to ProRes on Windows can be an issue. This thread on the BlackMagic Resolve forum does discuss ProRes 4444 EQ and Windows in a message towards the end .  

https://forum.blackm...hp?f=21&t=38222

 

I would check on the current situation with Resolve !4


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#7 Perry Paolantonio

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 09:30 AM

Can anyone advise further on this ProRes4444/windows incompatibility? Should I ask the telecine/scanning guy to export to some other format, other than ProRes4444? If so, can you suggest a format? This is a first reel so it doesn't have to be perfect.

 

 

There is no issue with ProRes on Windows, unless you want to render the final product to ProRes. Then you need to make sure you're using an application that can do it. Resolve cannot, for licensing reasons. But it can read the files and you can work with them in resolve, you just need to render to something else - Avid DNXHR is one option, but there are many others. 

 

If you need to make ProRes files, the least expensive way to do it using a properly licensed ProRes encoder, is to do a one-month rental of Scratch. If your windows machine can run Resolve, it can run Scratch. The user interface is a little tricky to learn, but it's great for doing ProRes encoding. This is what we did until we upgraded our Resolve to the full Linux version, which is licensed to make ProRes files.


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#8 Jon O'Brien

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 06:52 PM

Update: Werner at Neglab says "All looks good." Neg report says "No apparent camera problems. Exposure and focus looks good." Will give further updates. Thanks everyone, decided to go with the ProRes4444, with Quicktime Player and Davinci Resolve. Will report back how I go with it.


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