coming back after 20 years
Posted 27 November 2017 - 07:02 PM
Posted 27 November 2017 - 07:22 PM
No PC of any kind? You can get cheap used laptops on Ebay that will do what you need. Prices have come down a lot in 20 years. Even yard sales can get you going. Eight years ago I was in a similar situation and got a free PC off of Craigslist, only thing it didn't have was a hard drive.
Ektachrome won't come out until next year, and it's possibly being purposely held back so its release coincides with the new Super 8 "pie in the sky" camera from Kodak. That was supposed to have come out last year.
What I hear about the Agfa is that you should overexpose by 2/3 stop to reduce the grain. I haven't tried that, myself.
If you don't want to try Wittner Chrome for reversal, you can go to Retro 8 Enterprises for Fuji reversal. I prefer the Retro 8 stuff, of course. They call it Provie 100D.
The good thing is you're in San Antonio, not in Seattle, so you are less likely to have rain interfere with your filming. It rains all the time here and I can't wait to leave and go back to L.A. someday.
I don't think it's a very cheap option but it's a real good filmstock option. It's about $38 per roll.
Posted 27 November 2017 - 07:31 PM
Posted 27 November 2017 - 07:46 PM
I do have a PC, but it crashed a while back and I haven't gotten around to replacing it since I have a smartphone and a tablet. I have looked at retro 8, but the website always says the film is out of stock. I'll try the 2/3 stop with my next roll of Agfa.
It's possible that there are tablet apps that do what you want, I don't know, I never understood the appeal of tapping on glass, it generally scares the fish.
The Retro 8 English site is not updated often, only the Japanese page gets constant updates. But the film is in stock, you need to email Tak and ask him about it. His response is not always fast. The page I linked to shows the Provie buying options and they're available now.
I've found Super 8 videos of Agfa tests online and they seem to be shot by the same guy, with ND filters. The 16mm tests don't look as grainy.
I remember there being a piece of software called Neat Video that removed the grain.
I can't say I like removing grain but I can see that there are times when it is useful.
Posted 27 November 2017 - 10:39 PM
Posted 28 November 2017 - 10:16 AM
Posted 29 November 2017 - 12:47 PM
I like what you have there, you have some interesting locations and shots, but that off-the-wall telecine is doing no good, you need something better. Don't use Pro8mm though, ever, for anything.
Contact Perry over at Gamma Ray Digital, ask him if he can scan it for you and for how much. They do amazing work.
What I would recommend is some stabilization of some shots and shortening some of the others. Are you planning to add sound? Good sound would take your footage to the next level and probably wouldn't be hard to do at all.
Best of luck!
Posted 29 November 2017 - 01:19 PM
Posted 29 November 2017 - 01:30 PM
Thanks for the info. I have already talked to both entities, pro8 and gamma ray. Gamma ray would be more expensive, but better quality. I keep seeing pro8 dis in here, but so far, the people I've emailed have been really cool, including Rhonda Vigeant. As far as locations, unfortunately, 20 years makes for a lot of changes, that old house is now a historical landmark and fully restored! So, completely uncreepy now. Not sure if you read the description on the lesser 720 copy on YouTube, but, all this footage was going to be used as flashbacks and visions in the primary story I was starting to shoot. When my actor moved away, I just cut up what I had and stuck it together and slapped a name on it. When I make the new version of my film (35 minutes vs 70-ish), I'm going to splice some of these scenes into it as was originally intended.
I kind of thought that was the case with regards to the footage, not that it doesn't stand on its own as good nightmare fuel.
It's not how nice the people you email are (until they get your business) that counts, it's the service and the overall bloodsucking vibe from a company that vastly overcharges for crappy cameras and service based only on the public's uninformed assumption that they are the only, possibily last, option out there. People who are really into the Super 8 hobby avoid them like the plague. They used to be okay back when they were in Cambridge and still called Super8 Sound and run by Bob Doyle. Now they're borderline predatory and technologically cannibalistic.
But let the scan results speak for themselves. Here, take a look at this.
Posted 29 November 2017 - 02:20 PM
Posted 29 November 2017 - 03:00 PM
Agreed on Ektachrome.
Posting this here for people interested in Gamma Ray:
Posted 29 November 2017 - 11:30 PM
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Posted 29 November 2017 - 11:33 PM
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Posted 29 November 2017 - 11:41 PM
Posted 30 November 2017 - 01:55 AM
The secret to Ocho y Pico is Jose Luis Villar, who always shoots his videos very professionally. He also uses mostly 50D which will give very fine grain, and uses a lot of daylight along with ND filters. And of course, those cute models. With good preparation you could probably get similar results from Lightpress etc.
There was one guy called Omie Blue, he had some nice scans too.
Posted 06 December 2017 - 10:05 AM
I keep seeing pro8 dis in here, but so far, the people I've emailed have been really cool, including Rhonda Vigeant.
Pro8mm can be just fine. From what I've seen over the years they seem to have an "A" team and a "B" team (maybe interns or the overnight crew?) so either your stuff comes out great or has big issues. Once you've been burned its hard to forgive, but honestly it would probably be fine to try Pro8mm. At least they can do the processing and transfer in one place.
If you're in LA I'd check out Spectra as well...they can process and transfer Super 8 negative and reversal in one place too.
Lightpress folks are great colorists. Their machine might not have the best specs but the result will be amazing.
Gamma Ray Digital will give you an amazing scan (probably the best machine available) at a reasonable price. They love what they do and it shows. Great company. My flat scans from the have been great and while not cheap, good price for the high quality you get.
I would suggest sending one roll to a place like Lightpress or Cinelicious to see what really good colorists can do for your film. Makes all the difference in the world but of course you pay for it.
Posted 07 December 2017 - 09:23 PM