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#1 fatih yıkar

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 11:34 AM

I don't want to open this topic because of so many film vs digital discussions but i don't want to ruin other topics with my screenshots. Occasionally i will share some screenshots from movies under this topic.

 

I love these Roger Ebert words

Do you remember what a movie should look like? Do you notice when one doesn't look right? Do you feel the vague sense that something is missing? I do. I know in my bones how a movie should look

He said these things for digital projectors but every time when i watch a new movie, these words comes to my mind.

https://www.rogerebe...ng-of-the-light

 

 

İ watched the trainspotting 2, aka T2,  i think movie is good (directing,script,acting etc.) except for one thing movie's look. I'm not going to write a lot of stuff that i wrote before about color,texture,depness. I'm just sharing screenshots from previous movie and new one.

trainspotting-min.jpg

 

 


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#2 fatih yıkar

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 11:39 AM

trainspotting  2-min.jpg

trainspotting  3-min-min.jpg


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#3 David Hessel

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 11:40 AM

Again, these screen shots have very different lighting and grading that are totally independent of it being film or digital. The difference in look is intentional, its an artistic choice. You are comparing apples to oranges again.


Edited by David Hessel, 28 November 2017 - 11:44 AM.

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#4 Landon D. Parks

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 11:45 AM

Here is the thing: Digital and film can look pretty much identical. A lot of these issues above are more about grading choices than they are film vs digital. The shots on the right are very color saturated, almost to the point of absurdity. Those 'right' shots also make horrible use of highlights and look as if some kind of really bad post sharping was done to them. It was very much a stylistic choice on these, not a film vs digital issue.


Edited by Landon D. Parks, 28 November 2017 - 11:45 AM.

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#5 fatih yıkar

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 11:53 AM

Again, these screen shots have very different lighting and grading that are totally independent of it being film or digital. The difference in look is intentional, its an artistic choice not the result of one bing film and another being digital. You are comparing apples to oranges again.

If they intentionally doing this they must be blind, this is what i'm try to tell, ıt's like we're living in the era of stupidity..

 

They use some scenes from previous movie  for flashback scene and they change the color ıt's look terrible for me and btw compression adds grain in high resolution new movie look more digital.

trainspotting  new color-min.jpg


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#6 Samuel Berger

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 12:08 PM

Your screenshots seem to come from a camcorder pointed at the screen.

 

Here's the trailer in HD:

 

 

Not as bad as the screenshots, but definitely a very different look from the classic original.


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#7 fatih yıkar

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 12:16 PM

Here is the thing: Digital and film can look pretty much identical. A lot of these issues above are more about grading choices than they are film vs digital. The shots on the right are very color saturated, almost to the point of absurdity. Those 'right' shots also make horrible use of highlights and look as if some kind of really bad post sharping was done to them. It was very much a stylistic choice on these, not a film vs digital issue.

Colors looks different but problem is not just the color issue there are more things than that.....

 

And i can't accept this answer all time the written '' stylistic choice''.... 

If everything is stylistic choice how the people make decisions about this movie look good,cinematography is amazing, lighting so perfect 

I mean if say something or criticize a movie, everybody can say this '' this is a stylistic choice''  ''that's why my movie look so digital, that's why color looks dissatisfied, that's why movie is too grainy because this is my ''stylistic choice''...


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#8 aapo lettinen

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 12:21 PM

If they intentionally doing this they must be blind, this is what i'm try to tell, ıt's like we're living in the era of stupidity..

 

 

yes we are living in the era of stupidity, I'm glad you noticed it  :lol:

if needing more you can just check YouTube or some lifestyle sites :) or the average newspaper website, any of them  ;)

 

anyway, that neon-green instagram filter is quite annoying indeed. haven't seen the new movies so don't know if their grading choices worked or not but in still frames it looks horrible most of the time :ph34r:


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#9 aapo lettinen

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 12:27 PM

your topic title is incorrect by the way... it should read "MOVIES RUINED BY DIGITAL GRADING AND CURRENT COLOUR TRENDS" which is really the issue here rather than the shooting or projecting format


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#10 David Hessel

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 12:58 PM

Your screenshots seem to come from a camcorder pointed at the screen.

 

Here's the trailer in HD:

 

 

Not as bad as the screenshots, but definitely a very different look from the classic original.

 

Agreed the trailer looks much better than the shots posted here, I was a bit taken back with how bad the digital ones looked. I never even considered these could be from a cam bootleg but it does look like that is possible. 

 

@Fatih Yikar what was the source for the ditigal screenshots? They look nothing like the trailer and if these are from a bootleg shot with a camcorder you have taken the ridiculousness of this topic to a whole other level.


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#11 David Hessel

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 01:17 PM

Actual screen shots from the trailer, closest ones I could find to others. Unbelievable...

Attached Images

  • T2 TRAINSPOTTING - Official Trailer (HD) (01758).jpg
  • T2 TRAINSPOTTING - Official Trailer (HD) (02066).jpg
  • T2 TRAINSPOTTING - Official Trailer (HD) (02502).jpg
  • T2 TRAINSPOTTING - Official Trailer (HD) (02721).jpg

Edited by David Hessel, 28 November 2017 - 01:22 PM.

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#12 David Hessel

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 01:27 PM

A more direct comparison, the images on the left are from the trailer...

comp.jpg


Edited by David Hessel, 28 November 2017 - 01:28 PM.

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#13 Mark Dunn

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 01:51 PM

OP, FYI, here are your so-called "ruined" frame enlargements colour-corrected very quickly in Lightroom. No doubt I could get them closer.
There's no point comparing screenshots from radically different sources.
Screenshot-2017-11-28 Movies Ruined By digital - General Discussion.jpg
Screenshot-2017-11-28 Movies Ruined By digital - General Discussion-2.jpg

 


Edited by Mark Dunn, 28 November 2017 - 01:53 PM.

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#14 fatih yıkar

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 02:03 PM

Your screenshots seem to come from a camcorder pointed at the screen.

 

Here's the trailer in HD:

 

 

Not as bad as the screenshots, but definitely a very different look from the classic original.

 

My screenshots looks bad because of high compression, rules of 300 kb picture only be added. I think trailer looks more different, has different colors.

 

And also everybody can look the movie from http://www.blu-ray.c...02/#Screenshots  here 

15475_9_large.jpg

15475_4_large-min.jpg

 

I'm not changing the color but programme i use for maybe has a little different settings...


Edited by fatih yıkar, 28 November 2017 - 02:06 PM.

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#15 fatih yıkar

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 02:16 PM

Well ıt's look like they change the color for blu-ray, trailer looks different i don't watch the movie from theater so which one is  the real color of movie trailer or blu-ray? anyway new movie not even close the first movie cinematography

trailer                                                                                                                                   -blu-ray

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#16 aapo lettinen

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 03:31 PM

Well ıt's look like they change the color for blu-ray, trailer looks different i don't watch the movie from theater so which one is  the real color of movie trailer or blu-ray?                                                                                                          

 

movie trailers are generally sent through completely different editing/post/grade pipeline than the final movie if you are comparing the early trailers.

at that stage the movie has not finished editing stage and therefore online most likely not made even partially, so the trailer is done from early edited select scenes and fully onlined and graded separately from the raw material.

 

so the early trailer grade may not have anything to do with the final movie look: it usually has different trailer editor but also may have different post facility, different colorist, different programs used, vfx scrapped together from non-finished fx previews, etc etc.  They may for example have a grade very close to the dailies look (aka add LUT and render out -style) or only slightly tweaked... and the grade made noticeably different on web and cinema and tv versions. 

 

the later trailers may use final graded movie material depending on the post workflow but it kinda depends.

One can, for example, cut the final trailer from a clean tv master on some films, or online the trailer based on the finished movie edit so that it is easy to copy the grades from the full movie's grading project and then slightly tweak them for internet use etc. 

 

but as said the trailer look does not necessarily have anything to do with the final movie's grade, depending on for example in which stage of the actual movie's post work the particular trailer needs to be edited and published.

one Finnish film for example had a very warm retro tone lower contrast trailer (kinda warm tones + warmish greys+neutral shadows) BUT a much higher contrast cold look with very cold blueish shadows in the final movie, graded by different colorist with different style. 


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#17 Phil Connolly

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 04:18 PM

Not the mention difference in style between Brian Tufano and Anthony Dod Mantle thats probably a bigger factor then the choice between Digital and Film. 

 

Tufano's work with Boyle was very special - nothing to do with shooting format, just two talented people working well together. If they'd shot on VHS it would have been worth watching. Shame "The Beach" brought an end to the collaboration. I like Anthony Dod Mantles work as well - but there was something Iconic about the original Trainspotting


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#18 Mark Kenfield

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 03:02 AM

Your screenshots seem to come from a camcorder pointed at the screen.

 

Here's the trailer in HD:

 

 

Not as bad as the screenshots, but definitely a very different look from the classic original.

Fascinating, I rented it on iTunes and got the horrible green/crunchy mess that Fatih has encountered. The trailer looks infinitely better. Much more inline with the original and what you'd expect the film to look like.

I think one of the things that put me off so much about the sequel, was that Edinburgh felt NOTHING like Edinburgh, the grade totally warped the feeling of the place, the whole thing felt fantastical (but not in a good way).

Such a shame.


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#19 aapo lettinen

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 06:25 AM

Fascinating, I rented it on iTunes and got the horrible green/crunchy mess that Fatih has encountered. The trailer looks infinitely better. Much more inline with the original and what you'd expect the film to look like.

I think one of the things that put me off so much about the sequel, was that Edinburgh felt NOTHING like Edinburgh, the grade totally warped the feeling of the place, the whole thing felt fantastical (but not in a good way).

Such a shame.

 

maybe they were accidentally delivered the XYZ colour space image and they decided to "just make the VOD version from it without conversion, should be no difference compared to RGB master"  B)


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#20 Mark Dunn

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 06:29 AM

 

 

maybe they were accidentally delivered the XYZ colour space image and they decided to "just make the VOD version from it without conversion, should be no difference compared to RGB master"  B)

The irony is that more often than not films nowadays are released in that awful teal-and-orange palette. So whoever did it though it was OK because he had his Instagoggles on. Yuck.


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