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#1 Robin R Probyn

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 05:21 AM

Sign of the times.. TopTeks in the UK selling an ex demo.. for about the same as my F5 cost me.. !! £17,000 plus VAT

 

edit..Price didn't come up in the post title ..


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#2 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 05:30 AM

Wile E. Coyote is a keen user.

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#3 Mark Dunn

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 06:03 AM

That's a bit baroque even for me, Phil.

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#4 Mark Kenfield

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 06:38 AM

They've been going for that price (and even cheaper for used models) for a while now. It's one hell of a camera, but it's just too complicated workflow/size wise for most people to consider.

I was sorely tempted by one when I made my last camera purchase, the image quality and feature set are superb. But I went with the Alexa Studio instead (and am glad that I did), it's an equally big beast, but the workflow is much more manageable. 


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#5 Robin R Probyn

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 06:39 AM

Wile E. Coyote is a keen user.

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Counter balance with the Sound recordists wallet ..


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#6 Robin R Probyn

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 06:43 AM

They've been going for that price (and even cheaper for used models) for a while now. It's one hell of a camera, but it's just too complicated workflow/size wise for most people to consider.

I was sorely tempted by one when I made my last camera purchase, the image quality and feature set are superb. But I went with the Alexa Studio instead (and am glad that I did), it's an equally big beast, but the workflow is much more manageable. 

 

Yes true.. there is a reason they are so cheap I guess.. just seemed incredibly cheap.. and presumably a demo has alot less hours on it than a rental thats seen heavy action.. and Sony say they will still be making them even after the Venice ships..this I really cant believe.. servicing and parts maybe .. but new ones.. well Sony not really famous for telling the truth ..:)


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#7 Miguel Angel

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 11:42 AM

I've wanted to use one since they were released. 

 

Such a pity that they are not a very popular rental camera either in Ireland or Spain. 

 

The Alexa Mini is around €500 / day.. the F65 is around €700 / €800 / day! nonsense! 

 

Have a lovely day!


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#8 Peter Welander

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 03:39 PM

I never realized that Sony built a camera with a mechanical shutter and optical viewfinder. Besides Arri, are there others?


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#9 Mark Kenfield

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 04:29 PM

I never realized that Sony built a camera with a mechanical shutter and optical viewfinder. Besides Arri, are there others?

The F65 has a mechanical shutter, but not an optical viewfinder. The Alexa Studio and the earlier D20/D21 are the only digital cameras I know of with a proper spinning mirror.

For me, it was shooting on film again (for the first time in almost eight years!) a little over a year ago, that triggered me on to how much I prefer to use an optical viewfinder (the immediacy of looking directly through the lens is well worth the flickering IMO). That put me on to testing the Alexa Studio for a feature (that sadly didn't go ahead), but then when the time was right to grab a German for myself, it was the Studio I wanted.

It's certainly more money, but well worth it for the global shutter and the optical viewfinder I reckon.

One thing that makes me sad about the Alexa LF, is that the shorter flange distance makes it impossible to fit a mirror shutter inside, that likely means the current Alexa Studio is the last camera with an optical viewfinder that we'll see. :(

Which is sad because I'm really not a big fan of the Alexa's EVF (or Sony's, or Red's). I think electronic viewfinders have a ways to come in terms of resolution, user interface and latency before they'll make a better option than optical.


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#10 Robin R Probyn

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 05:17 PM

Hi Mark

 

Sony have a new EVF for the Venice.. and it can also work on the F5/55.. Ive only had a play at a trade show.. but its much improved from the older OLED they had.. have a look if you can.. I really want one but they are pretty pricey..!


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#11 Mark Kenfield

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 06:59 PM

Hi Mark

 

Sony have a new EVF for the Venice.. and it can also work on the F5/55.. Ive only had a play at a trade show.. but its much improved from the older OLED they had.. have a look if you can.. I really want one but they are pretty pricey..!

I'll be interested to have a look, I've heard it's brighter and the resolution is higher, and that's great. Sony also (sensibly) allow you to use transparency masks for framelines (which is ESSENTIAL for any viewfinder or monitor IMO).

I hope they've fleshed it out fully (especially for that price!). However, I highly doubt they'll have implemented the kinds of monitoring features that every monitoring tool should offer in 2018 - detailed 10+ step false colour; a clear, easily readable waveform, full 3D LUT capability (ideally the kind that doesn't require digging through camera menus to activate); 1:1 pixel zoom (and a clear indicator for when you're in 1:1 mode, so that you don't accidentally think that's your frame!); good focus peaking (Sony are the best in the world at this, so I expect their new EVF will do well for peaking); display space outside of the camera image for all information/waveforms etc. so that nothing covers up your view of your frame; and the afore-mentioned transparency masks for frame line purposes.

Zacuto have come very close to an ideal setup with their Gratical Eye, but it still has some significant issues, which I hope other manufacturers will both learn from and emulate. Because a good viewfinder is a camera operator's most important tool when operating.


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#12 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 07:29 PM

I was quite a fan of the new Panavision EVFs personally. They were the best I've thus far used (and i personally hate the Gratical). If you ever get a chance, give 'em a try.


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#13 Mark Kenfield

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 10:01 PM

I've heard good things about them, but the Varicams are (unfortunately) virtually non-existent down here.
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#14 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 17 February 2018 - 10:31 AM

Panavision, Mark, not Panasonic ;)


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#15 Mark Kenfield

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Posted 18 February 2018 - 01:36 AM

Ah! Well we don't have many of those either! I've asked in Melbourne and received a 'who even are you?' look. And just last week I checked in with Panavision Prague while I was over there scouting, and when I asked if we could possibly get a few DXL2s for the shoot, I saw the most delightfully polite look of 'That's not physically possible' spread across the face of Vaclav the rental manager 😂
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#16 Dom Jaeger

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Posted 18 February 2018 - 03:10 AM

Ah! Well we don't have many of those either! I've asked in Melbourne and received a 'who even are you?' look.


I'll make sure whoever gave you that look never works in this town again.. ;)

Try again, I'll vouch for you Mark. We'd love someone to ask for a DXL, haven't had one in the country yet. DXL2 might be pushing it at this point, we're only a colonial outpost of the Empire after all..
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#17 Robin R Probyn

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Posted 18 February 2018 - 06:10 AM

The old Sammy's out at North Sydney .. used to be full of 35mm Panavisions.. what happened ..


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#18 Mark Kenfield

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Posted 18 February 2018 - 06:45 AM

I'll make sure whoever gave you that look never works in this town again.. ;)

Try again, I'll vouch for you Mark. We'd love someone to ask for a DXL, haven't had one in the country yet. DXL2 might be pushing it at this point, we're only a colonial outpost of the Empire after all..

Thanks Dom, that's why you're my favourite!  :D 
 


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Posted 18 February 2018 - 06:45 AM

we're only a colonial outpost of the Empire after all..

We're about to start being much nicer to you, apparently, so watch out.


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#20 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 18 February 2018 - 11:43 AM

While personally I was always a CSC man mayself out of NYC I was so surprised by how nice and gracious panavision was to me here in La. enough that they're my fav rental house (though that's mainly as I want the swag and the ultra-speeds).


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