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#1 Anzer Sizov

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 08:13 AM

Friends,

I'm working in Russia so obviously we speak Russian on-set.

And a lot of things we say concerning camera dpt. work-flow are esily understood by anyone who works in the industry here.

But all the words are mostly slang.

The phrases are boiled down to the very essence so that you don't have to waste any time explaning things.

What do you guys actually say on-set when it comes down to working practices such as adjusting f-stop, discussing camera movements, choosing filters etc.

Throw anything that pops up in your mind, every bit would be much appreciated.

e.g.:

do you "open up a knotch, a third etc", do you "lock down the head" or "lock-off" etc.

I need these words to work with english-speaking cinematographers.

I know I could manage, but I bet there are standard, sharp words for everything.

Thanks from Moscow, Russia

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#2 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 08:38 AM

I wouldn't bet on standard, sharp terms, UK camera crews can use various forms of rhyming slang for setting stops etc.  https://en.wikipedia...i/Rhyming_slang

 

Here are some terms from the US http://www.theblackandblue.com/2010/12/09/film-set-lingo-general-production-slang-part-1/ http://www.theblacka...t-terms-part-2/


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Posted 10 March 2018 - 10:42 AM

The one I hear most often: "Joan Collins" meaning wide open on the lens...


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#4 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 03:37 PM

I have very little patience for this sort of thing. It tends to exist in cliques, with everyone being convinced that their terms are universally-accepted when they're not. 


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Posted 10 March 2018 - 05:21 PM

I don't think of terms like "locking down the head" as slang, there is a tilt and pan locking latch on the tripod head, so the phrase is more or less literal, same as "open up the lens by 1/3", which is just a shorter way of saying "open up the lens iris by 1/3 of an f-stop".  But phrases like "kill the baby", or "frame for a two-T's" or "frame for a cowboy" or calling clothes pins "C41's" are definitely slang, some more commonly used or known than others.  For example, the term to shoot "MOS" is more or less known on every set, whereas there are nicknames for certain equipment that seem to be regional, if not just personal.

 

I'm a bit impatient with some of them, though not as much as Phil is -- for example, I'd rather call for a "Full Apple Box" than constantly call for a wooden grip support box that is 8" x 20" x 12" made of 3/4" plywood. The name is specific and more or less universal despite whatever the origin was for the term "apple box".


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Posted 10 March 2018 - 05:31 PM

A favorite, and ludicrously complicated bit of slang, is the term 'spanish', as in 'spanish the 2k'. Spanish is short for Spanish Archer. A reasonable name for a spanish archer would be El Bow. El Bow sounds like Elbow. To elbow something means to get rid of it. Hence, 'Spanish the 2k' means get rid of the 2kw lamp.

 

Simple.


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#7 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 07:44 PM

I was referring specifically to things like "Joan Collins." Never once in my life heard that. Things like "apple box" are sufficiently common, of course, and also based on historical reality - but I'd maintain my view that inventing ever more abstruse bits of slang just to feel like we're members of an in-group is unhelpful.

 

I had, however, heard of someone who had been made redundant being "given the Spanish archer," which I thought was quite amusing. 


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#8 Robin R Probyn

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 08:33 PM

I use the term Spanish Archer in Japan.. its just fun to explain what it means.. US directors also find it quite amusing.. Current pun for Sun..etc.. its just a bit of fun really..  in Japan an apple box is the bit more boring Benri Hako... simply meaning .. Convenient Box.

 

It is a bit clubby .. and I would agree a female AC might not be too happy with the Joan Collins ..which In think is actually a more recent term.. I also never heard that in the 80,s/90,s in there UK.. are things getting less PC.. ?


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Posted 10 March 2018 - 08:49 PM

I've never heard the Joan Collins either. Seems unlikely to be modern, as she's not been in the public eye in years, but I never heard it when I was working in Britain. There's plenty of others that are just as rude and sexist, but their history seems to make them halfway acceptable.


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Posted 10 March 2018 - 10:56 PM

I've never heard the Joan Collins either. Seems unlikely to be modern, as she's not been in the public eye in years, but I never heard it when I was working in Britain. There's plenty of others that are just as rude and sexist, but their history seems to make them halfway acceptable.

 

 

Maybe we worked on a better class of shoots back in the day.. :).. but yes never heard the Joan Collins thing... thats why I thought it might be a later retro thing.. but yes agreed.. alot of people  probably dont know who she is now.. 


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Posted 11 March 2018 - 02:24 AM

Thank you everyone.

I realise I might have not made myself clear.

Phil, I'm with you on that.

David, thank you for your post.

Things I'd like to know are the words like "open up, stop down, lock down" etc.

Do you "knock off" the light if it's too much of it or do you "bring down"?

Another good example:

What do you call a situation when the Sun constantly pops out of the clouds and then hides so that it's impossible to predict if you're going to have a take.

We have one word for such situation.


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Posted 11 March 2018 - 03:32 AM

*Knock off" a light will usually result in it being switched off (assuming you don't mean stealing the light, which is another meaning of that term) and "bring down" could result in it being derigged. or lowered. If you want to to lower the light levels you usually have to say how you want to lower the light level eg ND, scrim, fade down, dim.

 

Terms like "lose the Kino" or "kill the redhead" are not that unusual. Organizations or different sectors can have differing terms e.g. the BBC calls chroma key, C.S.O. (Colour Separation Overlay)

 

I haven't heard a one word for the sun and clouds. it's usually "the sun's in and out" or "it can't make up its mind".

 

I heard "Joan Collins" being used in the late 1990s.


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Posted 11 March 2018 - 03:57 AM

*Knock off" a light will usually result in it being switched off (assuming you don't mean stealing the light, which is another meaning of that term) and "bring down" could result in it being derigged. or lowered. If you want to to lower the light levels you usually have to say how you want to lower the light level eg ND, scrim, fade down, dim.

 

Terms like "lose the Kino" or "kill the redhead" are not that unusual. Organizations or different sectors can have differing terms e.g. the BBC calls chroma key, C.S.O. (Colour Separation Overlay)

 

I haven't heard a one word for the sun and clouds. it's usually "the sun's in and out" or "it can't make up its mind".

 

I heard "Joan Collins" being used in the late 1990s.

 

Brian, That is exactly what I wanted. Thank you. Could you think of any words related to dolly-work. For instance, what do you call  type of shot when the object in in the center of a circle and you're on dolly circling around? Is it an ark-shot?.. 

Sometimes English-speaking directors use words such as "punch in". Are there any others of the same kind?


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Posted 11 March 2018 - 04:13 AM

I've never heard the Joan Collins either. Seems unlikely to be modern, as she's not been in the public eye in years, but I never heard it when I was working in Britain. There's plenty of others that are just as rude and sexist, but their history seems to make them halfway acceptable.

 

It is a bit clubby .. and I would agree a female AC might not be too happy with the Joan Collins ..which In think is actually a more recent term.. I also never heard that in the 80,s/90,s in there UK.. are things getting less PC.. ?

 

Strangely, I mostly hear it from female DPs and ACs but I agree it is a bit in poor taste. I'd say it's only one step away from the project specific nicknames for things like calling the 100mm "Mandela" because he'd be 100 years old this year. I wouldn't expect people to know that sort of thing, just a bit of silliness really.

 

One thing I am hearing more is "Micheal the head" or "Give it some Bublé" meaning to level off the tripod head. Which is half ryhme slang of Micheal Bublé.

 

Not hearing 86 much. I heard that was a common phrase but I heard it more in kitchens than on sets. Another "take that thing down/away" shorthand.


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Posted 11 March 2018 - 06:27 AM

86 is the American version of " Spanish Archer.". sign of the times.. my kids nearly always use US slang . they hear it on TV/Netflix etc ..  the UK slang will eventually die out I suppose..  I always have a soft spot for the.. "its all gone Pete Tong".. the modern version of, its all gone "reels of cotton".. I remember we used to say Ducks on the Pond .. when the dir or any big wigs turned up on set..


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#16 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 06:42 AM

I have confused Americans with Pete Tong references, but yes I think most places would understand 86 because of staggering American cultural hegemony

 

One thing that non-Brits don't seem to get is "split the difference" which is not film terminology but has confused French, Japanese and Americans in my recent experience, and it's not a language problem.

 

For reference, it's a directive to use something halfway between two recently-discussed options and often comes up when positioning people - "Take a step to your right, no, too much, split the difference."


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Posted 11 March 2018 - 07:14 AM

haha yes I use that term just instinctively as it seems the best thing to say when your looking through the VF and you ask someone to move, and they move too much.. but yes only seems to work on Brits and Aussies ..


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Posted 11 March 2018 - 07:25 AM

I have confused Americans with Pete Tong references, but yes I think most places would understand 86 because of staggering American cultural hegemony

 

One thing that non-Brits don't seem to get is "split the difference" which is not film terminology but has confused French, Japanese and Americans in my recent experience, and it's not a language problem.

 

For reference, it's a directive to use something halfway between two recently-discussed options and often comes up when positioning people - "Take a step to your right, no, too much, split the difference."

This is wonderful. I can now think of an adequte phrase that exists in Russian but being a non-native speaker I could never come up with something so graceful. "Split the difference". Love that. Thank you. 


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Posted 11 March 2018 - 10:05 AM

 
One thing that non-Brits don't seem to get is "split the difference" which is not film terminology but has confused French, Japanese and Americans in my recent experience, and it's not a language problem.
 
For reference, it's a directive to use something halfway between two recently-discussed options and often comes up when positioning people - "Take a step to your right, no, too much, split the difference."

I hear "split the difference" all the time. (American)


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Posted 20 March 2018 - 02:36 PM

OK- I have one to add.

I've heard one slang term for a dolly move called a "Micky Rooney."

 

A slow, little creep.

 

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