I am considering a Super 8mm camera....
Posted 26 July 2005 - 04:02 PM
I have been digging online for Super 8mm cameras the last few days and I am not sure what is the best.
I am seeing the emerging leaders...Beaulieu, Canon, Nizo...and a few other that get high praise...but I am not sure which is the best overall camera. I have also looked at the 8mm Classic Pro from Pro 8mm but I am not sure that I can ante up 2 G's for it...
Professionally...I have shot on Arri products like the 35mm Studio cam and the 16mm SR3...but I have been primarily working with DV for the last 2 years at my job...for my personal use...I would like to have an 8mm around to keep current with my film background...I can't feel like a film maker if I am behind a video camera all the time...I am sure you all understand what I mean...I have always had a certian amount of distain for video but it works and works well...its just not film...and I do love film so much...there's nothing quite like it...doesn't matter how many filters and effects you put on it in post...video will never be film.
I have looked at so many and I know they are all good in different situations...many folks suggest having more tghan one but one is all I can afford right now.
So...what do you all think I should be looking at??? I like havng interchangeable lenses...that is a plus for me...but I have also seen the Canon wide angle conversions and that looks pretty slick...but I know swapping lenses is the best way...
Anyway...any input here would be appreciated...
Thanks a lot,
Posted 26 July 2005 - 06:58 PM
My purposes would be for short film making...some MOS some with sound...I like that a chosen few actaully have crystel sync...that is such a cool feature with these cameas...
Posted 26 July 2005 - 07:28 PM
Personally, I love my Chinon's however. Quality camera for a low price.
Posted 26 July 2005 - 08:09 PM
I find the Canons to be very reliable - all of them - and they have good optics. For top of the line look at the 814XLS or 1014XLS. You can find them for $500 or less. But the mid-range models, like 814 Autozoom electronic, are good cameras and can be found for $200 or less.
Also, consider looking at the Nikon R8 or R10. Well worth the price at $500 or less.
With the Nizo's, they can have a lot of good features and are fairly easy to get repaired (compared to others) but they have a dim view-finder. Some people like them, some people don't.
I think your choice should be based on which features you are looking for - and it's hard if not impossible to find everything you want on one camera, so you do end up owning a few. For example, the Nikons and Nizo's run at 54fps for good slow mo, but the Canon's only go to 36. Important for some. Canons have a built in intervalometer and shoot 9fps, Nikon's don't. Nizo's and Nikons (frustratingly) have tripod mount at base of handle which never feels stable, while the Canons mount on the camera base. And they all feel different in the hand - weight, handle design, and so on. You need to hold them to feel which is most comfortable for you and your shooting style.
There are many other little issues I could go into, but you get my point. Try to handle a few and your preference will probably be clear in no time.
Posted 26 July 2005 - 09:11 PM
The camera listed on their site is their fully outfitted Canon package with accessories. Be sure to call in for budget deals on other cameras not listed on their site.
Posted 27 July 2005 - 03:52 AM
Posted 28 July 2005 - 08:59 AM
I had been painstakenly going over the options for the cameras...I knew right away that each camera is different and that I wouldn't find ALL the best features in ONE camera...that is why I asked for help from you!
I would love to have 2 or 3 cameras....I love cameras...I am a camera freak but...I am sad to say I have never held a Super 8 camera in my hand.
BTW I live in Kenosha, Wisconsin...right between Milwaukee, WI and Chicago, IL...if anyone has any suggestions about a camera shop near me I am all ears...
I was actually looking oon Ebay and I wantred to buy about 4-5 of them right away...I never realized how many options are out there...aside from the 3 I mentioned...I was also looking at the Nikon, Chinon...but what is the Leicina Special and the Cinegon? I have not heard of these.
I was hoping that this thread could be used by other people too...not just me...so when they come in...they might like to read this thread also for the same reason...so...I hope you all will continue to really voice your opinions on the various cameras...and voice them strongly...talk about your favorite features...and talk about the annoying differences too.
Let's make this an open forum...any brand...any camera...any features...pro/cons???
Again...thank you all very much...now I just have to decide! Hopefully you can help me decide!!!
Posted 28 July 2005 - 10:26 AM
If you get interested in a nice Beaulieu 5008 the was new when I got it, PM me. I have a very nice one with a new battery system from DuAll that I'm going to sell next month. It has the Schneider Optivarion with motor (perfect in every way), dummy battery system, spare dummy battery, hood and case. I even have the German manual somewhere.
Posted 28 July 2005 - 11:35 AM
Posted 28 July 2005 - 02:05 PM
You aren't making it easy on me are you? Man...they all sound wonderful really...I got to have good glass...and I was lookng at companies known for pretty good glass like Nikon and canon but that Bealieu is absolutely stunning as far as how functional it is...so many things to consider...so many options...
Any to stay away from???
Posted 28 July 2005 - 04:09 PM
Posted 29 July 2005 - 08:58 AM
Posted 29 July 2005 - 09:01 AM
Some/all of you might already know about tis shop...yes I know...the same cameras cann be founf on ebay too...I am just using this website link for reference...it is the best web page I could find that will allow us to actually see a camera...
If you need help posting pics let me know...
Question: Silent or sound?
I know they don't have sound film any more but...it seems the sound ones are more sought after...
Posted 29 July 2005 - 11:39 AM
The other cameras will require more money to purchase and maintain. Plus, they are not as easy to use the first time out.
If I were you, I would just get the Canon and be done with it.
Posted 29 July 2005 - 01:46 PM
Honestly the Canon is the one I like the most...because its Canon...it's gonna have great glass...they are known for that...
Your right...I am concerned about ease of use...and the small format is its own little monster as opposed to 16/35mm...each are different and have differences. I guess that's why I would really like everybody to talk about the differences in application as opposed to their over all opinion of good or bad. I hope that makes sense...
Although I am not really a novice...my film experience is small. The last time I shot on film was in Nov./Dec. 2002 for a short film in Florida. That was 35mm and I was on an Arri Cam Lite and an Arri Cam Studio. That was the only time I ever touched a 35mm camera professionally. Great camera...by far...the most beautiful camera I have ever had a chance to touch. Before that ...I only ever shot 3 other 16mm shorts and the rest has been all video...Panasonic DVX 100a and Canon XL1S mostly....PD150 here and there...PD100a ocassionally...JVC 500 once...and the Canon GL2 presently....I work in education so everything we do is DV based. Besides that...the only other film experience was in film school...the Arri's are what I learned on there and after i got out I landed a handful of Camera Op. jobs and a 1st. AC position before landng my full time gig...just because I knew the Arri 16/35mm cameras really well. I guess they aren't picky in Florida!
So...after that long pointless ramble...I can handle a better than beginner camera if necessary but I don't mind either way...the beginning is the best place to start...beause everytime I come into something I put myself in the mind of beginner...I forget all my other experiences and try to begin fresh.
Edited by John Schlater II, 29 July 2005 - 01:50 PM.
Posted 29 July 2005 - 02:24 PM
Posted 29 July 2005 - 03:35 PM
the canon 814xl-s anyone?
Its significantly less expensive...main differences are????
Posted 29 July 2005 - 07:14 PM
the canon 814xl-s anyone?
Its significantly less expensive...main differences are????
1014 has a slightly longer lens (10x instead of 8x) and does in-camera dissolves. Not a real difference IMO and I would take 814 if it is less money. I have been shooting with 814XLS for 10 years and it has never let me down.