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#1 F Bulgarelli

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Posted 08 August 2005 - 09:48 PM

Hello everyone,

I'm curious to know your opinions as to what's the best work that has been done, as far as hd is concerned.
I'm talking mainly about non-cgi narrative works that have been released in theaters.
Any personal favorites?

Any opinions will be greatly appreciated,

Thanks,

Francisco
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#2 Logan Schneider

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Posted 08 August 2005 - 10:25 PM

"Badass", shot by Robert Primes, ASC was a good example of an HD release even though the budget was low. A lot of people couldn't tell that is wasn't film when it was screened at Panavision. He has a cameo too, in a scene where they are watching dailies. He won what I believe is still the only ASC award for HD for the pilot of "MDs".

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#3 Steven Budden

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 11:24 AM

Igmar Bergman's most recent film, SARABAND (2003).

It was made for television but I saw it last night in the theatre. It has that television look but you know, it's Bergman. He didn't like the tranfer to film so he refused to allow it to be shown, but it is now finally out in limited release.

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#4 drew_town

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 03:01 PM

I like von Trier's "Dogville." It's more in tune to the things that I shoot.
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#5 Lars.Erik

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 04:03 PM

Michael Mann's "Collateral".

Pretty good shot. And a concrete evidence for all those hard core film fans that movies can be shot on HD...
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#6 Gordon Highland

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 05:05 PM

While I thought the movie itself sucked, I really enjoyed watching "Once Upon a Time in Mexico" from this perspective. Hope ya like a warm palette.

"Session 9" is interesting. It's the first (U.S.) movie that I remember hearing about being done in HD. The transfer I've seen is really old and not great, but I just assumed it was film at first.
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#7 Robert Sanders

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 05:10 PM

The anamorphic 35mm print I saw of "Once Upon a Time in Mexico" was gorgeous. I've heard other complain it looked soft. But the print I saw blew me away. And this was the first generation F900 with crappy lenses and recorded with the internal 3:1:1 deck.

"Collateral" had the benefit of the Vipers and 4:2:2 recording. But I still thought OUATIM still looked like a better transfer.

I didn't get to see either in DLP. I saw them in 35mm specifically because I wanted to see how well they filmed out.
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#8 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 05:21 PM

"Session 9" is interesting.  It's the first (U.S.) movie that I remember hearing about being done in HD.  The transfer I've seen is really old and not great, but I just assumed it was film at first.

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Actually, I shot the first 24P HD feature to be released theatrically in North America, "Jackpot", which opened in August 2001 two weeks before "Session 9". A low-budget film called "Nicolas" was shot before us using the Panavised F900 (we used a regular F900 from Sim Video). Also around this time in 2000 when the camera was released were the productions of "Star Wars: Attack of the Clones", "Vidoq" in Europe, and "Session 9".
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Posted 09 August 2005 - 05:31 PM

Actually, I shot the first 24P HD feature to be released theatrically in North America, "Jackpot", which opened in August 2001 two weeks before "Session 9".  A low-budget film called "Nicolas" was shot before us using the Panavised F900 (we used a regular F900 from Sim Video).  Also around this time in 2000 when the camera was released were the productions of "Star Wars: Attack of the Clones", "Vidoq" in Europe, and "Session 9".

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David,

Did you shoot that film with the F900's internal recorded in 3:1:1? If so, were there any problems with the images recorded out to film?

I'm gearing up for a feature shoot with the F900 and the budget doesn't allow for a 4:2:2 deck. Obviously, we're concerned about the lower color space. But I've also seen stunning 3:1:1 images as well.

Thank you.

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#10 Keith Mottram

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 05:33 PM

The anamorphic 35mm print I saw of "Once Upon a Time in Mexico" was gorgeous.  I've heard other complain it looked soft.  But the print I saw blew me away.  And this was the first generation F900 with crappy lenses and recorded with the internal 3:1:1 deck.

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personally i thought once upon a time looked like blown up video 90% of the time, it didn't help that there was dreadful exposures and some save it in post grading. the opposite was true, when it came to Sex and Lucia which I saw in 2001 and looked generally cracking. Its also a nice exotic melodrama if anyone wants to check it out.

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#11 Tristan Nieto

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 07:05 PM

Actually, I shot the first 24P HD feature to be released theatrically in North America, "Jackpot", which opened in August 2001 two weeks before "Session 9".  A low-budget film called "Nicolas" was shot before us using the Panavised F900 (we used a regular F900 from Sim Video).  Also around this time in 2000 when the camera was released were the productions of "Star Wars: Attack of the Clones", "Vidoq" in Europe, and "Session 9".

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Don't forget, Matthew Barney's Cremaster Cycle had 2 sections of it shot in HD - Cremaster 2 (1999) and Cremaster 3 (2002). Some stunning imagery in these two films, but I guess thats the advantage of non-narrative art cinema, the DP generally has carte blanche to just make it look pretty.
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#12 Gordon Highland

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Posted 09 August 2005 - 08:19 PM

Actually, I shot the first 24P HD feature to be released theatrically in North America, "Jackpot"

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How could I forget that one! Jeez. . . :ph34r: I actually really enjoyed that. Especially great stuff of Gries in the car with the tape deck and the sunglasses and such.

While I have no idea what their actual intent was (the tone is a bit ambiguous and all over the place, honestly), I found myself laughing the whole time over the concept of this mediocre karaokist who takes himself way too seriously-- all the pep talks from his "manager" and faux-professionalism with which they run their little operation.
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Posted 09 August 2005 - 09:02 PM

I've been hearing good things about a movie called "Sex and Lucia." That movie was shot on the F900, but I'm not sure if it was released theatrically worldwide.
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#14 Keith Mottram

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Posted 10 August 2005 - 05:57 AM

I've been hearing good things about a movie called "Sex and Lucia."  That movie was shot on the F900, but I'm not sure if it was released theatrically worldwide.

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It was released throughout europe and i would have thought considering it was a popular spanish movie that it would have got to america- though i doubt it would have played outside spanish areas and arthouse cinemas.

Out of interest what does worldwide mean? if it doesn't play in asia, china or africa can anything be considered worldwide or does worldwide meen something along the lines of that bat and ball game's world series!

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#15 John Adolfi

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Posted 10 August 2005 - 07:14 AM

Michael Mann's "Collateral".

Pretty good shot. And a concrete evidence for all those hard core film fans that movies can be shot on HD...

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Too bad to even an amature trained eye like me could see it was HD with out prior knowledge and I wasn't looking for it either. Certain shots gave it away. Liked the film though.
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#16 Kai.w

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Posted 10 August 2005 - 08:34 AM

Too bad to even an amature trained eye like me could see it was HD with out prior knowledge and I wasn't looking for it either.  Certain shots gave it away. 

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Well, I thought the whole point was that it should(!) look like video (speaking simplified).
And quite right so. I enjoyed this one very much.

Haven't seen sin city yet...

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#17 Logan Schneider

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Posted 10 August 2005 - 11:07 AM

"Sex and Lucia" is available in just about any video store in the US. I thought it looked great, especially since they were dealing with the Mediterranean sun. Good movie, too.

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#18 Steven Budden

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Posted 10 August 2005 - 02:34 PM

Sex and Lucia showed all over the US, at least LA, San Francisco, Phoenix Arizona, etc.

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#19 Tomas Koolhaas

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Posted 13 August 2005 - 09:49 PM

Hello,
I too thought "Sex and lucia" looked really good, they did a really good job of keeping detail in hot daytime skies as well as making the actresses look very good, I didn't guess it was not film when I first saw it, although I did see it when I was still in film school. Sin City looked incredible to me, exactly what a comic book adaptation of sin city should look like. The fact that it was all green screen doesn't detract from the overall imagination and execution of creating such an intenses styalised look. Collateral all in all looked really good, but to be honest there were quite a few shots that looked "video" (which isn't neccesarily bad) , once I read the AC article about it I could see that there were a few shots that were overlit on set then brought down in post. Also lets not forget that much of collateral was shot on film (as it turns out many of my favourite sequences), but again I still think that the raw look of some of the HD night exteriors was amazing and unique, and will probably be emulated in many films to come.
Having shot on HD numerous times, I have come to feel that the lense you use is probably more important on HD than on any other format, So I wonder if anyone knows what lenses they used on "sex and Lucia" and "Sin City", and what lenses David used on "Jackpot".
Cheers.
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#20 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 14 August 2005 - 11:58 AM

I used the first generation of Canon HD zooms on "Jackpot". "Sin City" used the latest generation of Fujinon HD "cine" zooms, which seem to be fantastic zoom lenses.

Lately I've mainly used the Panavision Digital Primo zooms, which I like.

I just heard from Sean Fairburn on the CML that "Mission Impossible 3" is using the Sony F-950 recording to 4:4:4 HDCAM-SR for their night aerial shots.
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