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#1 Mark Allen

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Posted 23 August 2005 - 03:10 PM

Hi - I'm doing a half day instert shoot for some elements on a video and need to rent a 30p DV camera. Was wondering if someone might have a suggestion of a camera to look for and maybe even a place to look for it. Thanks. (24p might be okay as well, but 30p is preference.)
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#2 Lars.Erik

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Posted 23 August 2005 - 03:26 PM

You didn't state if you wanted 1/3" cams or 2/3" cams.

On the 1/3" options, you have Panasonic DVX 100a. That's the one I know about. Don't know if PD170 has P scanning.

On the 2/3" you have XDCam/IMX. This camera shoots 24P. I think it also records 30P, but not quite sure. Anybody know?

You also have DVCPro. Panasonic SDX900.
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#3 Mark Allen

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Posted 23 August 2005 - 03:49 PM

You didn't state if you wanted 1/3" cams or 2/3" cams.

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True - since these are just elements that will be manipulated later - we're trying to stay cheap. the dvcpro for example would be out of the question too expensive.
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#4 Rik Andino

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Posted 23 August 2005 - 08:48 PM

Well if you shooting in DV...
There also the Canon XL2 which can shoot in 30P and 16x9

I believe that the JVC HD100u also shoot in 30P and 16x9

And of course there is the aforementioned Panasonic DVX100a

There are three choices all cheaper than DVCPro...
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#5 Mark Allen

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Posted 23 August 2005 - 09:20 PM

There are three choices all cheaper than DVCPro...

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Thanks - I'll look for those.
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#6 Alvin Pingol

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Posted 24 August 2005 - 03:49 AM

Don't completely disregard 60i-only cams!

I've been sold by area-based deinterlacers. They do their job well.
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Posted 24 August 2005 - 04:39 AM

Don't completely disregard 60i-only cams!

I've been sold by area-based deinterlacers. They do their job well.

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Are you refering to DVFILM ? How does it compare to a true progressive camera?
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#8 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 24 August 2005 - 08:54 AM

Hi,

I imagine he's talking about any of the smart deinterlacers which will intelligently decide what's interlaced and what isn't. Since interlaced areas tend to be motion-blurred anyway, blending them doesn't have such an impact on sharpness, and areas which aren't interlaced are left alone.

Free tools are available to do this.

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#9 Peter J DeCrescenzo

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Posted 24 August 2005 - 11:27 AM

I believe the Sony Z1 can record true 30p in native 16:9 when it's used in DV/DVCAM mode.

But don't use its fake "24p" Cineframe mode; it's awful.

All the best,

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#10 Mark Allen

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Posted 24 August 2005 - 02:36 PM

Well, no matter what I use, I have to rent it because my sony pd150 was stolen. So, I figured might as well rent what I really want. Seems like the rental on the dvx100a is $150 US in L.A..

Guess that'll do. Thanks for the tips.
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#11 Alvin Pingol

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Posted 25 August 2005 - 01:59 AM

Thanks Phil ;-)

Mark I'm sorry to hear about your loss!
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Posted 09 September 2005 - 11:07 AM

Ithe Sony Z1 can record true 30p in native 16:9 But don't use its fake "24p" Cineframe mode; it's awful.
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Does that mean your DSR-450 has a better 24P mode than the Z1? I'm considering the 450.
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Posted 09 September 2005 - 12:18 PM

Does that mean your DSR-450 has a better 24P mode than the Z1?  I'm considering the 450.

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The 450 has true 24PsF.

I've seen Z1 24 Cinemotion and it looks similar to Nattress' G Film filter but without the interlace strobing. If you try reverse telecining in program's like After Effects, there's a definite stutter.
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