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anyone tried bono labs' HD telecine to hard drive?


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#1 Jaan Shenberger

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 08:27 PM

i dunno if this is too sensitive of a topic, since they're an advertiser on this site, but... has anyone gotten a HD telecine direct to hard drive, flat or best light, particularly 16mm, from bono labs?
http://www.bonolabs.com/

feel free to private message or email me if you don't feel like discussing it on the board...

thanks,
jaan

Edited by jaan, 09 September 2005 - 08:28 PM.

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#2 Ashley Dean Myles

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Posted 09 September 2005 - 11:26 PM

We recently used them for a commercial project. Kodak 7245 and 7212 transferred direct to hard drive. Tim Bono is great to work with and very informative. Excellent service and so much better than BetaSP or Digibeta.

Four main guidelines:

1) You must make absolutely sure your editing system can handle the 10-bit uncompressed footage. It will not play in realtime without a server array with a fiber channel card (like the Xserve RAID). We're running an Apple system with Dual 2.7 GHz and 8 GB of RAM and an Aja Kona2 card. You'll have to downcovert the footage otherwise. They also offer a DVCPro HD codec.

2) If you get the flat transfer, make sure you have a good color correction program and plenty of time to spare. From experience, I'd have them do a best light and match to a grey card. You get more information from the flat transfer, but it's a trade off.

3) Make sure you have plenty of time to complete your project. They do not rush their services and only conduct business through the mail and UPS/FedEx.

4) Read EVERYTHING on their website. It really answers every question and is highly informative. Take note of their policies and procedures. He's got a great history of HD on there, too.

Best regards,

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#3 Jaan Shenberger

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Posted 10 September 2005 - 06:42 PM

thanks ashley.

any chance of you posting/emailing a still from the flat and/or best light footage?

thanks again,
jaan

also, i forgot my email address in the initial post...
jaan (at) jaanshen.com

thanks again.
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#4 Chainsaw

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Posted 10 September 2005 - 07:58 PM

Sure, I'll pull some stills off tomorrow and post them. I was really left breathless the first time I viewed the footage on our 30" HD monitor, even with the flat transfer. I will never go back to BetaSP or Digibeta transfers.

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#5 Ashley Dean Myles

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Posted 10 September 2005 - 08:01 PM

Ooops. Sorry about that, but Chainsaw and I always post from my laptop and I sometimes forget who's logged in.

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#6 Ashley Dean Myles

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Posted 12 September 2005 - 05:25 PM

Jaan, here's a frame grab from the 10-bit uncompressed anamorphic flat transfer of our super 16mm footage. If you'd like to see more, I'll email them to you. I figured with the grey card you could al least see how much color correction is needed.

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#7 Ashley Dean Myles

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Posted 12 September 2005 - 05:29 PM

It appears that they are too large to post. I'll email them to you instead.

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#8 Mike Lary

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Posted 12 September 2005 - 06:18 PM

It appears that they are too large to post. I'll email them to you instead.

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Ashley,
I was considering BonoLabs as well. Would you mind emailing me the sample images, too?
If you want, I can host them for you on my server so you can link to them from the forums - that way you can avoid bothersome requests from folks like me. :)
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#9 Ashley Dean Myles

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Posted 12 September 2005 - 06:54 PM

Sure, Mike. What's your email address?

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#10 Mike Lary

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Posted 12 September 2005 - 08:03 PM

Sure, Mike. What's your email address?

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#11 stephen lamb

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Posted 12 September 2005 - 10:40 PM

Ashely,
I hate to bug you as well, but i am also considering Bono labs, thanks for your tips so far, fantastic stuff. Do you know anything about how good the DVCpro HD codec is? Any possibibity you could also email pics or just let me know when they get posted? stevie_o54@hotmail.com. Thanks for your help:)
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#12 Ashley Dean Myles

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Posted 13 September 2005 - 06:06 PM

I emailed tiff's to both of you from the un-corrected, 10-bit uncompressed anamorphic flat transfer.

As to the DVCPro HD codec... we also had them send some test footage to us with that codec a while back. It's more than suitable and if you're going back out to D5 for broadcast, etc. that's the codec you would use.

Bono Labs requires that new customers do a 'test drive'. They'll send you a portable drive with various examples of their transferred footage, both 10-bit uncompressed and DVCPro HD. Of course, you'll have to provide them with a credit card for a refundable deposit plus a few bucks for shipping and handling. By doing this you can compare the footage directly and find out if your editing system can handle it.

Let me know if you've got any more questions :)

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#13 Chainsaw

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Posted 13 September 2005 - 09:01 PM

For all of the interested here, in a few days (Friday at 3:00 actually) the footage in question will be completely timed, corrected and edited so either Ashley or I can show before and after shots. I can also provide processing, exposure, filtration, lighting and other relevant cinematographic info for said shots.
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#14 Mike Williamson

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Posted 14 September 2005 - 02:04 AM

For all of the interested here, in a few days (Friday at 3:00 actually) the footage in question will be completely timed, corrected and edited so either Ashley or I can show before and after shots. I can also provide processing, exposure, filtration, lighting and other relevant cinematographic info for said shots.

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Sounds great, I'm very interested to see how the stuff looks, any of your impressions about the final footage would be great. Any images you can post would be helpful also. Thanks!
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#15 Chris Burke

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Posted 14 September 2005 - 04:37 PM

Sounds great, I'm very interested to see how the stuff looks, any of your impressions about the final footage would be great.  Any images you can post would be helpful also.  Thanks!

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I have delt with Bono on three occasions now and have nothing but praise and a tinglely feeling inside. Serious though, I have used the SD transfer to hard drive and for lower budgeted stuff that look great as well. the telecine to hard drive is the way of the future I believe. I will be using them for a short I have coming up. we will be using the HD to hard drive option. I recommend them to anyone, but as it has been stated before, you need to check out everything with your system before proceeding.
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#16 Marco Leavitt

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 02:10 PM

I'm anxious to see some stills as well, but I can for wait them to be posted.

Edited by Marco Leavitt, 15 September 2005 - 02:10 PM.

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#17 zrszach

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 07:59 PM

I'm anxious to see some stills as well, but I can for wait them to be posted.

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#18 Ashley Dean Myles

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Posted 16 September 2005 - 06:14 PM

Ok! The uncorrected images are on my website now. Next week I'll upload the corrected stills and final cut as per the final edit handed to the client today. They loved it, thank goodness.

http://www.cagexxi.c...attransfer.html

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#19 jef bryant

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Posted 16 September 2005 - 10:01 PM

Excellent. Is there any chance you could post one at full size and uncompressed, rather than the smaller jpegs? I'd love to see how well it responds to my color correction tools.
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#20 Ashley Dean Myles

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Posted 17 September 2005 - 10:24 AM

Sure! I'll post them on Monday (they're at the office and I'm at home). I hope you have a large monitor, because they almost fill up our 30"...


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