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#1 mark leuchter

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Posted 15 September 2005 - 04:27 PM

This is a Canon 12-120 zoom. I don't know a thing about it. Is it a quality lens on par with the more well known Canons (i.e., the 8-64 or 7-63)? I imagine that it doesn't cover S-16, would I be right?

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#2 Ian Marks

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Posted 16 September 2005 - 11:23 AM

This is an older generation lens designed for standard 16mm. It was often seen on CP16R cameras, and was also offered in Arri and Eclair mounts. It incorporates a special "fluorite" lens element, which I gather is some kind of low-dispersion glass, and also offered a macro focussing feature - a first for this kind of lens and a real advantage over the Angenieux 12-120 with which it was usually compared. It accepts common 72mm filters and lens accessories (or Series 9 filters via an adapter).

There has been some previous discussion of this lens and its ability to cover Super-16 at certain focal lengths - you might want to do a search of this forum. I wouldn't mind having one of these for my ACL - it's supposed to be a very good lens.
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#3 Matt Pacini

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Posted 16 September 2005 - 12:51 PM

I have one of these for my CP-16 R/A.
I compared it to the Angeniuex 12-120 that came with the camera, and the difference was very significant. It took me about 2 seconds to decide to sell the Angeniuex!
This lens looks just OK wide open, but looks much better when stopped down a bit (no surprise there).
Good lens, but not as sharp (or as fast!) as my Cinema Products UltraPrimes, nor my Optar Illumina prime (again, no surprise there).
I've never shot with the 8-64, so I can't compare, but from what I've heard, that's a much superior piece of glass.
I pretty much only use this lens if I need the longer focal lengths, or if I'm shooting "run & gun" type stuff, which is seldom.
I have no idea if it covers S16.
It's definitely much better looking than the Canon 12.5-75 on my Canon Scoopic M. Sharper, better contrast.


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#4 rob spence

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Posted 18 September 2005 - 06:47 AM

Hi
I have the same lens. I had it converted to S16 and PL mount by les bosher...and it's still 12-120mm! Visually it looks quite sharp and I have just tested it on film ( actually along with my canon 8-64 ) when I get the results this week I'll let you know how it compares. I hoping and expecting the 8-64 will be much better considering the vast price difference, but it will be interesting. It's definately a much better lens than the angenieux though and I'm surprised you don't see more of them around.
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#5 rob spence

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Posted 19 September 2005 - 08:00 AM

Hi there,
Saw my camera and lens tests this morning. Aaton ltr 54 and acl...both rock steady gates...absolutely nothing between the two.
Mk1 superspeeds nice and sharp.
Canon8-64...sharp and very useful range for s16...very, very nice.
Canon flourite 12-120 ...I was shocked at how good a picture you can get from a $300 zoom.
Not as sharp as the 8-64 ( obviosly ) but if I hadn't viewed them together I probably wouldn't have noticed.
Remember the 8-64 is 40 times more expensive.
The moral to me is buy your acl, and your Canon 12-120 and you have no technical excuse not to make a movie...get your script...get your actors...and just do it.
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#6 jeremy edge

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Posted 20 September 2005 - 01:14 PM

Hi there,
Saw my camera and lens tests this morning. Aaton ltr 54 and acl...both rock steady gates...absolutely nothing between the two.
Mk1 superspeeds nice and sharp.
Canon8-64...sharp and very useful range for s16...very, very nice.
Canon flourite 12-120 ...I was  shocked at how good a picture you can get from a $300 zoom.
Not as sharp as the 8-64 ( obviosly ) but if I hadn't viewed them together I probably wouldn't have noticed.
Remember the 8-64 is 40 times more expensive.
The moral to me is buy your acl, and your Canon 12-120 and you have no technical excuse not to make a movie...get your script...get your actors...and just do it.

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Rob, are you digitizing some of your footage?
If so, could you post a frame grab comparison with one frame from the 8-64
and one from the 12-120?

I would appreciate it alot. I got the word out and Im trying to find one of these.
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#7 rob spence

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Posted 21 September 2005 - 09:59 AM

jeremy
No as this was a test I'm not digitising anything. If you like I'll post you some frames so you can put them under a glass. Post your address as a personal email if you want to go down this route.
Cheers
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#8 Matt Pacini

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Posted 22 September 2005 - 04:51 PM

Well, now I feel even better about having gotten mine for $167.00
I haven't used it much, because I keep hearing how it's not a very good lens, but now this makes me think I'll be using it much more!
No way can I afford the 8-64, so I'd love to see the comparisons as well!

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#9 Jorge Alberto de León

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Posted 23 September 2005 - 01:27 PM

I own a Canon 12.5-75mm fluorite zoom lens.Excellent sharpness and color,also astounding follow focus with macro-zoom combination.Jorge Alberto de Leon.DP-Argentina
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