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#1 Dimitrios Koukas

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 08:44 AM

Let's say we have a 35mm original, cut to cut and with some dissolves like 10 and some fades let's say 5 fade outs.
What u would suggest, go for A-B roll, or just give the effects only for optical printing Internegative -interpositive and then ''patch'' them, (add them)in the cut to cut single roll?
Would be this the best for the films quality, or the I/N -I/P would be ''jump out'' to someones eye?

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#2 Stephen Williams

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 09:04 AM

Let's say we have a 35mm original, cut to cut and with some dissolves like 10 and some fades let's say 5 fade outs.
What u would suggest, go for A-B roll, or just give the effects only for optical printing Internegative -interpositive and then ''patch'' them, (add them)in the cut to cut single roll?
Would be this the best for the films quality, or the I/N -I/P would be ''jump out'' to someones eye?

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Hi,

I would go A-B roll!

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#3 John Pytlak RIP

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 09:30 AM

Let's say we have a 35mm original, cut to cut and with some dissolves like 10 and some fades let's say 5 fade outs.
What u would suggest, go for A-B roll, or just give the effects only for optical printing Internegative -interpositive and then ''patch'' them, (add them)in the cut to cut single roll?
Would be this the best for the films quality, or the I/N -I/P would be ''jump out'' to someones eye?

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For simple fades and dissolves, cutting A/B rolls usually offers the best image quality, although there may be a slight difference in the ramp of the fade between one being done on a continuous contact printer on A/B rolls, and one done on an optical printer:

http://www.acvl.org/handbook/3c.htm

Modern intermediate films like Kodak VISION Color Intermediate Film 5242 produce duplicate negatives that intercut very well with the original negative --- cut-ins no longer "jump out" with a "dupey look" and grain increase as they did in films made a few decades ago in the days of 5253.
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#4 Dominic Case

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 07:46 PM

Optical fades and dissolves would not stand out provided the duplication was done properly.

A&B rolls are a natural way to do this in 16mm, as you have A&B rolls anyway, for the checkerboard cutting. For 35mm, it might depend on how many fades & dissolves you want, how many prints you intend to make from the original negative, and whether the lab charges extrs for the B-rolls.

Also remember that optical, or digital, fades & dissolves can be any length, whereas the A&B roll method is restricted to 16,24,32,48, 64 or 96 frames in length, and there has to be a specific "recovery time" between the end of one transition and the beginning of the next.
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