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#1 Keith Mottram

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Posted 13 October 2005 - 06:57 PM

penelope

I see your a 2 perf lady?

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#2 Eric Steelberg ASC

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Posted 13 October 2005 - 09:29 PM

Interesting. Seems like someone wants to be a force in bringing 2 perf to the forefront.
Also looks like it's going to use the same type of composite material used in the A-Minima...or it could just be the material used for the mockup. One thing's for certain, doesn't look like the mags are going to be any easier to load than the 35-3.
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#3 Dimitrios Koukas

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 05:22 AM

penelope

I see your a 2 perf lady?

Keith


The only problem with 2 perfs or 3 is that they have to pass an IN/IP stage.
I would easily used this system only if I knew that it can be done without this, wich is impossible.
All the theaters are running standard 4-perfs.
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#4 Laurent Andrieux

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 06:49 AM

Isn't 2 perfs designed to give a 2.35 ratio ? So that you actually print 35 mm anamorphic (4 perfs) or 70 mm ?
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#5 Keith Mottram

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 06:53 AM

The only problem with 2 perfs or 3 is that they have to pass an IN/IP stage.
I would easily used this system only if I knew that it can be done without this, wich is impossible.
All the theaters are running standard 4-perfs.
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Er, DI? The stock savings would easily pay for a film out and DI.

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#6 Adam Frisch FSF

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 06:54 AM

The only problem with 2 perfs or 3 is that they have to pass an IN/IP stage.
I would easily used this system only if I knew that it can be done without this, wich is impossible.
All the theaters are running standard 4-perfs.
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Well, that's how the world is going. Digital Intermediate is probably done on more features today than
finished the old analog way, for better or worse. And 2-perf makes perfect sense in a DI environmnet.
So does Super-35 - when DI takes over fully, then Standard 35 is dead.
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#7 Stephen Williams

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 07:13 AM

Er, DI? The stock savings would easily pay for a film out and DI.
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Hi,

Depends on the shooting ratio but the savings on 50,000' of stock and processing will be nowhere near the cost of a DI. The telecine or scanning costs will be roughly the same.

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#8 Dimitrios Koukas

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 08:28 AM

Er, DI? The stock savings would easily pay for a film out and DI.

keith


I am working in the advertising eleven years now and I would definately suggest this if it's for tv, but I am not going to if it is for theaters.
DI is in a really good track and it's allready established, but for me it can't compare with a contact print.
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Posted 14 October 2005 - 08:55 AM

, but for me it can't compare with a contact print.
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Hi,

I have to agree unless the DI is 4k and very well done.

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#10 Keith Mottram

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 02:34 PM

Hi,

Depends on the shooting ratio but the savings on 50,000' of stock and processing will be nowhere near the cost of a DI. The telecine or scanning costs will be roughly the same.

Stephen


I dont know you can get a DI and print for about £40000 if you shop around (lustre and arri laser), when you take into account the costs of opticals etc, the ballparks aren't clear cut.

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 02:53 PM

I dont know you can get a DI and print for about £40000 if you shop around (lustre and arri laser), when you take into account the costs of opticals etc, the ballparks aren't clear cut.

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Keith,

Depending on the deals done I guess film savings is about £15000-20000.
You've quoted £ so I guess your UK based. Could you tell me where?

Many thanks,

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#12 Stephen Williams

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 03:17 PM

Isn't 2 perfs designed to give a 2.35 ratio ? So that you actually print 35 mm anamorphic (4 perfs) or 70 mm ?


Hi Laurent,

Exactly.

Its easier to convert cameras as you don't need to move the lens centre. Therefore older zoom lenses can be used without any risk of vingnetting, saving more money!

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#13 Laurent Andrieux

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 04:07 PM

Thanks Stephen !

I was just posting after Dimitrios's post, whos was pointing out the fact that theaters release 4 perf 35 mm positive.
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#14 Keith Mottram

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 07:33 PM

Keith,

Depending on the deals done I guess film savings is about £15000-20000.
You've quoted £ so I guess your UK based. Could you tell me where?

Many thanks,

Stephen


Stephen,

The figure I quoted is higher than a quote my producer got for a DI and print on a feature Doc I'm posting currently, cant post the details here. The facility is in eastern europe (I can't be more specific till I talk to my producer), the colourist is top notch- I've seen his reel. Sometimes it pays to travel! If I can give more details I'll share them with you.

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Posted 13 April 2006 - 08:42 AM

Hi,

I have more informations about this camera.
It will be sale at the same price of the XTRprod !

And it may become an hybrid camera, runing with 35 mm ...and HD mags.
One day, you'll be able to change from one "world" to an another by a "simple" switch (Beauviala -aäton CEO- said it may take 2 minutes to switch a HD mag by a 35 mm mag... He didn' say but I guess switching from a 35 mm mag to an HD mag would be a lot more hard to be done that quickly).

Any way, this option will arrive far later after the shipping of the Penelope, he also said, the CMOS and CCD chips are not ready yet, the portative storage technology is too young (he's is very expected by the hollographic storage technology), and the processors that could fit with the Jpeg2000 codec greed are just rising (a CoreDuo in a HD mag ?), he said.
For all those reasons, he'd rather wait and see a bit more.

Exciting, isn't it ?

Edited by thomas.chat, 13 April 2006 - 08:45 AM.

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#16 Keith Mottram

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Posted 13 April 2006 - 09:18 AM

Hi,

I have more informations about this camera.
It will be sale at the same price of the XTRprod !

And it may become an hybrid camera, runing with 35 mm ...and HD mags.
One day, you'll be able to change from one "world" to an another by a "simple" switch (Beauviala -aäton CEO- said it may take 2 minutes to switch a HD mag by a 35 mm mag... He didn' say but I guess switching from a 35 mm mag to an HD mag would be a lot more hard to be done that quickly).

Any way, this option will arrive far later after the shipping of the Penelope, he also said, the CMOS and CCD chips are not ready yet, the portative storage technology is too young (he's is very expected by the hollographic storage technology), and the processors that could fit with the Jpeg2000 codec greed are just rising (a CoreDuo in a HD mag ?), he said.
For all those reasons, he'd rather wait and see a bit more.

Exciting, isn't it ?


Thomas can you give a link to your source?

thank you

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#17 Thomas Chatelet

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Posted 13 April 2006 - 11:14 AM

Sorry keith,

but there is no direct internet link. I'm taking those informations from an interview that Beauviala gave to Lumières - Les Cahiers de l'AFC #1 2006, published last month. You'll find and order it on the AFC web site.

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Posted 13 April 2006 - 11:29 AM

By the way, what he exactly said about the price is that it should be close from a 16mm camera price. He didn't mentioned the XTR prod specifically. That was a short cut of mine. And the Core Duo thing is also a speculation.
Just to be clear...
And sorry for the no sense part : "Beauviala is expecting a lot from the holographic storage technology" is better english... :rolleyes:

Edited by thomas.chat, 13 April 2006 - 11:33 AM.

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#19 Max Jacoby

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Posted 13 April 2006 - 12:42 PM

I'm glad to hear that there will be a 4 perf movement for the camera as well. So people shooting anamorphic have the option of using this camera too.

Lumières - Les Cahiers de l'AFC #1 2006, published last month.

Do you find this magazine worthwhile? I like the AFC website, there is a lot of information on current films and how they were shot.
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#20 Thomas Chatelet

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Posted 14 April 2006 - 03:44 AM

I'm glad to hear that there will be a 4 perf movement for the camera as well. So people shooting anamorphic have the option of using this camera too.
Do you find this magazine worthwhile? I like the AFC website, there is a lot of information on current films and how they were shot.

It definitly whothwhiles but I'm not sure it's been translated in english... but it may be not not a problem for you to read french. ;)

Ciao

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