Cross-Processing the new 64T
Posted 09 November 2005 - 10:18 PM
It's such a new stock that nobody at Kodak, Pro8MM, or really anywhere has any idea what it'll look like - which I kinda find exciting - but I'm worried slightly about rating it. I usually rate 5285 at 200asa when cross-processing it, so logically I'm thinking about rating this stock at 125asa - the real question is I have no access to an 85 filter for the s8mm camera I own, nor does the director have one for the one he owns - so essentially I'm cross-processing un-corrected-for-daylight reversal film since we're shooting everythign in the desert. Yikes! Let alone how we're shooting 2.35:1 in super 16mm (with a taped ground glass as nobody on earth has a 2.35:1 GG for an arri sr-II, sadly) and i'll just have to estimate with the s8mm camera.
So beyond just stating what I'm doing, I'm really interested in any feedback any of you might have in terms of ways of approaching this ("proper" rating, contrast, tips, etc). 5285 is the only stock I've ever cross-processed so anyone out there with tons of cross-processing experience - come to my aid please!
Posted 09 November 2005 - 11:02 PM
I personally haven't found it necessary to rate a cross-processed reversal stock differently. I've rated 5285 at 100 ASA as recommended, cross-processed it, and gotten normal exposures, maybe slightly bright like by 1/3 of a stop but that's it.
Posted 10 November 2005 - 03:44 PM
Of course, the 64t requires an 85b for exact filtration. Recent examples on the net show how drastic the difference is between an 85 (camera's built in filter) and an external 85b! However, as you're finishing on video and going through the unique cross-processing thing -- man, this is a hell of a cool idea I'd like to try for a super unique look -- then you can easily use an 85 and tweek it to make it right in post and must have the resources to do so.
Wow, please post some stills of this to show us how it turned out. Again, very cool idea.
Posted 10 November 2005 - 04:00 PM
Posted 10 November 2005 - 04:04 PM
When you talk about cross processing, does that mean that you are processing for neg rather than pos? Is that possible?
Yes. Makes for some cool black and white when you see them cross-processed. Tends to get grainy, though. But in a good way if that's what you're after. Probably because 64 was designed as a professional film, the results should be very cool.
Is John the really nice Kodak rep reading this still? He might have some input here!
Posted 10 November 2005 - 05:15 PM
Posted 10 November 2005 - 05:29 PM
there's a switch on the handle of my canon s8mm camera that goes between a sun and a lightbulb - sadly its really goddamn lodged in the lightbulb hence my desire to grab a filter instead of breaking the camera. we're renting from Hollywood Camera and they're trying to get me an 85A and 85B filter for my canon though, so we'll see. thanks for your insights, though, i'll probably end up rating it at 100asa without the filter and 64asa with just to be safe. and considering how we're finishing to tape, i'll hopefully have some wiggle room in post
Does your budget allow for a camera rental? If so, try renting a 4008 from Pro8mm. That camera has an enlarged gate and 16:9 ground glass. So framing for 2.35 shouldn't be that hard with those guides. Plus with the extra image area via the enlarged gate, your image will be a bit sharper. You can also find some 7240 out there in super 8, I know it was discontinued, but there is still a good deal out there, you just have to look. If this is a video finish, your telecine session can give you any look you want. In any case, please post some stills from and test and or final shots, it sounds really cool.
Posted 12 November 2005 - 05:19 PM
Posted 12 November 2005 - 08:48 PM
I would avoid Pro8mm for both processing and rentals. I know of others, including myself that have had some bad experiences there. There are other places that can handle your needs with more professional attitude/customer service and better prices.
Try Yale Labs or Spectra Film for your cross processing, telecine and camera. They should be cheaper and/or do a better job.
Posted 13 November 2005 - 12:28 PM